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MaggieL

10-07-2006 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Inciting another, especially an impressionable juvenile, to violence shows a lack of moral fiber and ethical responsibility on your part, Mari, not that I'm surprised.

Especially the fact that she's voting for someone else to provide the gun. Ever the good Socialist... :-)

marichiko

10-08-2006 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

Especially the fact that she's voting for someone else to provide the gun. Ever the good Socialist... :-)

What? Suggesting a vote is socialist? :rolleyes: And I doubt that Ibram is going to go off on a murder spree because of a joking comment. UG might, though.:worried:

MaggieL

10-08-2006 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

What? Suggesting a vote is socialist?

No, wanting somebody else to provide for the gun is. (Wanting to subject matters of personal responsibiility to a popular vote only gets a collectivist "honorable mention".)

It's amusing that the impulse is so deeply ingrained in you that you couldn't figure that out (even though the key phrase is italicized).

Spexxvet

10-08-2006 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

No. People will just kill each other with rocks and baseball bats. If you have murder in your heart, it will come out one way or the other.

I think you could kill me with a gun. I'd like you to try to kill me with a rock or bat. :cool:

Spexxvet

10-08-2006 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Where Spexx errs here is that he thinks all deaths are equivalent: he is setting an Amish junior high schooler's death at the same value as Charles Carl Robert's death. He forgets: one was innocent. It is moral to value innocent life over that of the perp.

With defensive, proper, non-police uses of guns, and these are mostly of handguns because of their portability (a long arm you bear, a pistol you wear) running at about two and a half million annually -- mostly without a shot being fired -- Spexx's views are dangerously behind the curve and can get Spexx or his loved ones killed much more easily than, say, my views on the matter.

There is a LOT here that you simply don't know, Spexx. I can recommend you a reading list that will at least allow you to speak intelligently.

Where urb errs here is that he thinks he knows what Spexx thinks.

Spexxvet

10-08-2006 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

My answer: No.

Your bathtub is more dangerous than my handgun.

Yeah, I read in the liberal media about all the bathtub murders last year. Is my bathtub as dangerous as you without a gun?

Spexxvet

10-08-2006 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

I'm not opposed to all taxes. But one problem here is that too much of the taxes collected in Philadelphia are spent on the Mayor's cronys and other bullshit rather than on enforcing the law.

Oh, so now your a socialist - you want others to help pay for the additional prisons you want. What a collectivist! (when the collection suits you).

You don't pay Philadelphia taxes, so you have no right to complain. And the point about how they're spent? Nice straw man, Mags.:right:

Spexxvet

10-08-2006 09:00 AM

I feel better now.:D

marichiko

10-08-2006 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

Maggie, stop taking yourself so damn seriously. It was a joke. Get it? J-O-K-E. While I don't advocate banning guns, I don't advocate giving them away for free, either.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I think you could kill me with a gun. I'd like you to try to kill me with a rock or bat.

Heh! You gotta go to sleep SOMETIME! (That was a joke, too). ;)

Spexxvet

10-08-2006 01:07 PM

My doors and windows have locks.;)

MaggieL

10-08-2006 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

Maggie, stop taking yourself so damn seriously. It was a joke. Get it? J-O-K-E.

Many a true word is spoken in jest. You reveal more of yourself then you'd like to sometimes.

Ibby	10-08-2006 07:29 PM

Dayum, maggs, I think she's right this time, chill out a bit dearie.

morethanpretty

10-08-2006 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I think you could kill me with a gun. I'd like you to try to kill me with a rock or bat. :cool:

Probably have more luck with the rock or bat, most people can't hit the side of a barn with a bullet, they might shoot of a whole round and still not hit you. But one hard swing with a blunt object...messier and more painful too...
I would prefer death by bullet, not that it is at all likely to happen.

piercehawkeye45

10-08-2006 11:21 PM

Those people who can't hit the broad side of a barn with a bullet probabaly won't be knocking you out with a bat either.

marichiko

10-09-2006 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

Many a true word is spoken in jest. You reveal more of yourself then you'd like to sometimes.

No, Maggie, you just have paranoid fantasies from reading too much Ayn Rand. Liberal does NOT = collectivist. I do NOT advocate turning the US into a socialist nation, only the Republic it was once intended to be. You're the one who is advocating the destruction of our personal liberties by saying torture, breaking the Geneva Convention, and throwing out the 6th Amendment is a wonderful thing. You reveal too much of yourself, also, Maggie. and your problem is that you're dead serious when you do it.

But its not worth arguing with you. You're a fundamentalist Neocon who worships Jr. as your savior.

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