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Originally Posted by tw (Post 877593)

A politician was wasting everyone's time. Even Cruz could not define what his purpose was. It did not matter. He was promoting himself to the naive who ignored he was filibustering without purpose. He had no strategic objective. And still some foolishly praised him for wasting time reading about green eggs.

Eventually even he voted to do what he said he was trying to stop.

Even the Geico Gecko speaks with a purpose.

Senator Cruz explained EXACTLY what his purpose was. When was the last time you actually HEARD opinions other than your own, expressed?

His objective was strategic, not tactical. Learn the difference!

Good, you listen to animated commercials - well, we all have to start somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Adak

If you saw Cruz reading Dr. Seuss to his kids, all the way through, you would have to agree

Just so we're clear, Senator Cruz was in Washington, and his kids live in his home state of Texas. When Congress is in session, he sees them very little, like all Congressmen. He was not missing any extra time with his kids because of this particular stunt.

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Originally Posted by Adak (Post 877475)

What REALLY happened was Senator Cruz said he wanted to tell a good night story to his kids, and read from Dr. Suez, for a few minutes. Then he said goodnight and "Don't worry, Daddy will be home soon".

If it had been Obama, it would have been a touching family scene, perhaps done with a split screen. One screen showing Cruz reading the bed time story, and the other showing the kids listening at home.

But Cruz is a conservative, so instantly this really touching few minutes, were reported by most media, as something crazy or very silly. It was neither. It was a father reading a short bed time story, to his kids, when he couldn't be at home to do it personally.

That's one of the big problems for the Republican party. They have plans to fix our health care system, and a lot of other plans as well, but no one is getting it out to the media. And when they do, it gets minimum, or slanted coverage.

As long as the media treats everyone who disagrees with Obama's policies as a racist, there's no basis for honest reporting. It's all reporting "stories that fit into our framework or theme", as the New York Times editor brazenly put it. When you have a propaganda campaign instead of honest reporting, it's a wonder you have anyone willing to stand up against it. That was the entire purpose of Cruz's over-night, speech. (It wasn't a filibuster, since it did not delay or stop the vote on any bill.)

So I salute Sen. Cruz for a bold stand, along with Senators Lee, Rubio, Rand, and all the rest. It wasn't always pretty, but he did get some media attention for the fact that many Americans are against Obama Care, as it's currently being implemented, and many are concerned about the repeating increases in our debt, caused by the excessive spending of Obama and Congress.

While fighting to stop ObamaCare may be the most popular cause among Conservatives, it would be more productive to force *some* cuts in spending, in return for raising the debt ceiling.

Getting something is a lot better than nothing, and as political leaders, they have to learn that compromise is the name of the game, ultimately. This is politics, not a gun fight at the OK Corral.

Dr Suez. :lol2:

What a man, what a plan, what a canal! :lol: I'm so touched by Cruz the Suess. *wipes away tear*

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 877593)

He had a purpose, he raised $1.5 million for his campaign chest with that stunt.

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Originally Posted by Adak (Post 877594)

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Good, you listen to animated commercials - well, we all have to start somewhere.

ad hominem - the sign of a lost argument.

Today's GOP spiraling bullet point:

Sen Ted Cruz et al. and the GOP are now spinning a deteriorating and spiraling POV
that Obamacare "gives special exemptions to Congress... over the rights of individual citizens"

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As posted here earlier, during the 2010 debate over the Affordable Care Act,
Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, proposed (a poison pill) amendment requiring members of Congress
and their staffs to purchase health insurance though state exchanges.
Democrats, viewing the amendment as a political stunt,
co-opted the idea as their own and inserted it into the bill.

Congressional members are paid by the US Government.
Some of their congressional staff are paid by the US Government,
but some "staff members" are not employees of the US Government,
such as the member's election committee staff, home district office staff, etc.
Thus, the US Government is the "employer" to all Congress members and some of their staff.

Cutting more directly to the point...

FactCheck.org
9/27/13
No ‘Special Subsidy’ for Congress

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The exchanges were intended for uninsured people who
couldn't get health insurance through their employer or qualify for Medicaid.
Those who had access to health benefits meeting minimum coverage levels
could still purchase insurance on the exchanges
— but without a subsidy and using after-tax income.

Holding members of Congress and their staffs to that standard would have
the effect of stripping them of the employer-paid health coverage they currently get,
which is the same as any other federal employee.
So the Office of Personnel Management issued a proposed rule in August
making clear that the government would continue to pay the employer contribution
for congressional health benefits at the same rate as if members were still on the federal plan.

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Congress isn’t “exempt” from the law.
It wasn’t exempt back in 2010, when we first debunked such a claim;
nor were lawmakers exempt in May when the bogus bit surfaced again.
Three months later, they’re still not exempt.
In fact, as we’ve said before, lawmakers and their staffs
face additional requirements that other Americans don’t.

And the “special subsidy” to which Pittenger refers is simply
a premium contribution that his employer, the federal government,
has long made to the health insurance policies of its workers.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 877609)

He had a purpose, he raised $1.5 million for his campaign chest with that stunt.

His purpose was to get the most easily brainwashed to give him more money. He successfully rewarded his greed. Extremists say it was good - to screw America.

A patriotic Cruz would have proposed eliminating the paper dollar bill to save a $billion annually. But working for America contradicts his purpose. Extremists work for their agenda - at the expense of America. Same people also massacred 5000 American servicemen in Mission Accomplished. Said that also was good. And got more contributions for doing it.

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 877600)

Wrong again!

Like most Congressmen, he keeps in touch with his family during the time they're in Washington, by using things like Skype, and the telephone, etc.

That includes reading bedtime stories, to his two sons. Man, you guys are a cynical bunch.

And Lamplighter, do you ACTUALLY believe that most employers will be continuing to pay into a medical insurance plan, that isn't required, for their employees?

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And the “special subsidy” to which Pittenger refers is simply
a premium contribution that his employer, the federal government,
has long made to the health insurance policies of its workers.

Because I can assure you, if they're not forced to, most businesses will not be just throwing money into some expense that they don't have to.

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Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 877603)

Dr Suez. :lol2:

What a man, what a plan, what a canal! :lol: I'm so touched by Cruz the Suess. *wipes away tear*

Sorry, but I didn't hear about Dr. Suess growing up. My family wasn't one for bedtime stories - ever.

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Originally Posted by Adak (Post 877693)

My family wasn't one for bedtime stories - ever.

So the Tea Party says bogeymen are now hiding under everyone's bed. Evil witches and liberals now hide around every corner. Why do so many adults read those bedtime stories?

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Originally Posted by Adak (Post 877693)

Sorry, but I didn't hear about Dr. Suess growing up. My family wasn't one for bedtime stories - ever.

Ahhh.... at least now we have an explanation for the unfortunate Adakian mindset.

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Originally Posted by Adak (Post 877691)

Wrong again!

Cruz has two daughters.