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So, let's do the math on this one Premise: Nobody has any claim on another person’s body. Premise: Carrying a fetus to term is an infringement on another person's body Conclusion: The mother can end the infringement by removing the fetus in any way she deems appropriate. I think that's a fairly accurate sketch of your argument. You hold premise 1 to be true, and premise 2 can go uncontested, we would all agree with that (certainly anyone whose carried a baby). If both are true, then the conclusion stands. But your first premise, if its an absolute, has some dangerous extensions. Premise: Nobody has any claim on another person’s body Premise: Taking care of a 6-month old is an infringement on the time, resources, and strength of the parent, and thus on the actions and fruits of that body Conclusion: The mother can end the infringement by removing the 6-month old in any way she deems appropriate, including abandoning it on a freeway overpass, or placing it in the oven. Any reason why the first one is right and the second is wrong? And don't say "because in the second one, it’s a human life” because that's a separate argument - your argument doesn't derive from the humanity of the fetus, but from the infringement on the parent. If your first premise is absolute, then the personhood or non-personhood of the infringement makes no difference. Quote:
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You have to live under a rock to not know what causes kids. Yes, IMO (which everyone will probably disagree with, of course) she SHOULD have to be a human incubator. Inconvenience and/or irresponsibility is not an excuse for murder. Quote:
Yup, but if more women had the children that they so carelessly kill, it might be easier to adopt. At least, that's my opinion. *sigh* And to Radar....too bad HIS mother didn't believe in abortion, huh? Snide remark aside, a fetus is enough of a "person" to have protection from unwanted termination, under the law, so yes, a fetus IS a person, to an extent. Once it has brain waves, I consider it a person. Again, my opinion. /my opinion Sidhe |
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Happy Birfday Onyx! :grouphug: :drunk: :biggrindu :guinness: :band: Sidhe |
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Ani Difranco put it best, anti-abortion campaigners are like fish that don't know they're wet. |
This abortion debate has been much better since I've put together my iggy list. I see lots of non-posts with names of people for whom I have no desire to know what they're saying.
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ah, the infamous, fingers-in-the-ears, lalalalalalala method. good form.
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Ho lee crap. A pending bill in Virginia would force women to report miscarriages to police within 12 hours, and provide as much of the following information as possible:
place of occurrence usual residence of patient (mother) full maiden name of patient medical record number and social security number of patient Hispanic origin, if any, and race of patient age of patient education of patient sex of fetus patient married to father previous deliveries to patient single or plural delivery and order of plural delivery date of delivery date of last normal menses and physician's estimate of gestation weight of fetus in grams month of pregnancy care began (sic) number of prenatal visits when fetus died congenital malformations, if any events of labor and delivery medical history for this pregnancy other history for this pregnancy obstetric procedures and method of delivery autopsy medical certification of cause of spontaneous fetal death signature of attending physician or medical examiner including title, address and date signed method of disposal of fetus signature and address of funeral director or hospital representative date received by registrar registrar's signature registration area and report numbers. This is all information that a doctor would currently provide to the police (!), but this bill adds the requirement to a woman who doesn't have a doctor's assistance, and gives her half the time to report it that the doctor would have. |
That looks more like a Lumberjim "New Cellarite Quiz".
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Obviously some of the "Right Honorable Legislators" should have been abortions. :mad:
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dumbasses. |
They would just raise taxes to hire enough staff to record and track them. Woe to anyone irregular. :(
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I hope they don't start tracking sperm.
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