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TheMercenary 12-20-2009 11:06 AM
I agree it has pluses and minuses. Some reforms are well needed and long over due. It just does not have the safe guards for those who have insurance to protect from huge increases in costs. It does nothing to fix the cost control of healthcare in general. And it is expensive as hell. There are a ton of "ifs" and "assumptions". Overall I think it is a bad idea in it's current form. There is this idea of "just pass something", and that is dangerous. They are trying to please their masters.

kerosene 12-20-2009 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 617488)
Of course they are, Merc. I don't think anyone here is under the influence. The typical dwellar is much smarter than the average beer, ya know.
Fixed for ya, classic. ;)

xoxoxoBruce 12-23-2009 02:48 PM
Here's two that need reform
 
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One is the loopholes in the law, the other is the culture that seeks them out and uses them to cheat society.

TheMercenary 12-23-2009 08:06 PM
The Tax Breaks Abound....

classicman 01-06-2010 06:59 PM
Parker Griffith Staff Resigns: Nearly Every Member Quits
 
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Nearly every staff member of Democrat-turned-Republican Rep. Parker Griffith's office quit Monday morning in response to his decision to switch parties. His chief of staff resigned, along with his entire legislative and communications team -- many of whom have worked for Griffith since before he arrived in Washington.

"Alabama's Fifth District has deserved and has benefited from great Democratic conservative leadership since Reconstruction. And until now they had it," Chief of Staff Sharon Wheeler said. "I appreciate Congressman Griffith's being a very dedicated congressman. But we believe he made a mistake -- a well-intentioned but misguided mistake that is not in the interest of the great people of North Alabama who elected him a year ago as a Democrat. As his staff, we wish him only the best, and we all remain committed to the citizens of the Tennessee Valley.
But we cannot, in good conscience, continue working for him. It is with deep sadness that we leave our work for the Fifth District. But because we are unwavering in our own principles, we have no choice but to move on. We do not know what the future holds, but we are taking a leap of faith with the belief we will soon find ourselves in the employment of principled public officials."
WOW!

Happy Monkey 01-06-2010 07:25 PM
Good for them.

He'll be fine for staff, though. Capitol Hill is crawling with unemployed Republican staffers.

However, he will be teabag primaried. An ex-Democrat won't pass their purity test.

classicman 01-06-2010 07:29 PM
Yeh, I was thrilled to read that article though. I think its great that they made a stand, no matter that they'll all be re-employed soon, if they aren't already.

classicman 01-15-2010 05:55 PM
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Democrats moved closer to a final deal on health care reform Thursday — and for some vulnerable members, the end can’t come soon enough.

In an emotional talk with other Democrats on the Ways and Means Committee this week, North Dakota Rep. Earl Pomeroy said the protracted debate is hurting him so badly back home that he might as well retire if it drags on much longer.

A Democrat who attended the Ways and Means session said Pomeroy was “very angry” as he spoke about the delay. “Other folks were upset, but he was the maddest by far.”

“I believe Congress needs to resolve fairly quickly this protracted health care debate,” Pomeroy told POLITICO on Thursday. “We have a number of other issues that haven’t been able to get enough attention, because health care is taking up all the floor time, all of the attention. We need to move on.”

Pomeroy is hardly alone.

Rank-and-file members throughout the House Democratic Caucus are anxious to get past the health care debate — whatever the outcome — so that they can turn their attention to less polarizing issues that could help them win reelection in November.
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Ahh what it's really all about . . . getting re-elected. The R's are doing the same thing. Drag this thing out as long as possible so that the memory impaired masses have this travesty of a political show fresh in their minds. :vomit
Politics as usual from all of them.

TheMercenary 01-20-2010 08:29 AM
Well I guess people are as satisfied with the way the country is going after all...

Independent Voters Abandon Democrats

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WASHINGTON—Democrats' loss in Tuesday's race for a Massachusetts Senate seat is a stark illustration of how support from independent voters has collapsed, a phenomenon that's prompting party leaders to revamp their playbook for this year's midterm elections.

Independent voters—typically centrist, white and working-class—backed President Barack Obama and the Democrats in 2008. But Massachusetts is now the third Obama-won state in the past three months where independents have swung decisively Republican.
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Democratic strategists worry the numbers paint a gloomy picture in states with competitive House, Senate and gubernatorial races this year, especially those where independent voters hold sway, including Colorado, Wisconsin, Florida and Ohio. Those states weigh heavy on the White House because they will be battlegrounds for Mr. Obama's re-election campaign.

Massachusetts could be problematic again in November when Democratic Gov. Deval Patrick is up for re-election amid dropping approval ratings. Unexpected blue-state contests could erupt for Sen. Barbara Boxer (D., Calif.) and Gov. Martin O'Malley of Maryland.

Republicans in November won the Virginia and New Jersey governorships by winning independents by two-to-one margins. In those states and Massachusetts, polls showed that independents were anxious about the economy and the rising jobless rate, with health care a less important issue.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...330904680.html

piercehawkeye45 01-20-2010 11:12 AM
US politics is a fucking pendulum.

Clodfobble 01-20-2010 12:22 PM
Exactly: you get fucked no matter which way it swings.

piercehawkeye45 01-20-2010 12:50 PM
Haha nice.

TheMercenary 01-30-2010 09:54 AM
Taxpayers pay $101,000 for Pelosi's in-flight 'food, booze'

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123472

TheMercenary 02-03-2010 04:06 AM
Someone must stop this Nazi from spending our money for her jaunts...

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Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced today that it has obtained documents from the Air Force detailing House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s use of United States Air Force aircraft for Congressional Delegations (CODELs).

According to the documents, obtained by Judicial Watch through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), the Speaker’s military travel cost the United States Air Force $2,100,744.59 over a two-year period — $101,429.14 of which was for in-flight expenses, including food and alcohol.
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The following are highlights from the recent release of about 2,000 documents:

* Speaker Pelosi used Air Force aircraft to travel back to her district at an average cost of $28,210.51 per flight. The average cost of an international CODEL is $228,563.33. Of the 103 Pelosi-led congressional delegations (CODEL), 31 trips included members of the House Speaker’s family.

* One CODEL traveling from Washington, DC, through Tel Aviv, Israel to Baghdad, Iraq May 15-20, 2008, “to discuss matters of mutual concern with government leaders” included members of Congress and their spouses and cost $17,931 per hour in aircraft alone. Purchases for the CODEL included: Johnny Walker Red scotch, Grey Goose vodka, E&J brandy, Bailey’s Irish Crème, Maker’s Mark whiskey, Courvoisier cognac, Bacardi Light rum, Jim Beam whiskey, Beefeater gin, Dewars scotch, Bombay Sapphire gin, Jack Daniels whiskey, Corona beer and several bottles of wine.
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* According to a “Memo for Record” from a March 29—April 7, 2007, CODEL that involved a stop in Israel, “CODEL could only bring Kosher items into the Hotel. Kosher alcohol for mixing beverages in the Delegation room was purchased on the local economy i.e. Bourbon, Whiskey, Scotch, Vodka, Gin, Triple Sec, Tequila, etc.”

* The Department of Defense advanced a CODEL of 56 members of Congress and staff $60,000 to travel to Louisiana and Mississippi July 19-22, 2008, to “view flood relief advances from Hurricane Katrina.” The three-day trip cost the U.S. Air Force $65,505.46, exceeding authorized funding by $5,505.46.
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“Speaker Pelosi has a history of wasting taxpayer funds with her boorish demands for military travel. And these documents suggest the Speaker’s congressional delegations are more about partying than anything else,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

Judicial Watch previously obtained internal DOD email correspondence detailing attempts by DOD staff to accommodate Pelosi’s numerous requests for military escorts and military aircraft as well as the speaker’s last minute cancellations and changes.
Good God, no wonder she has no problems wasting our tax dollars on legally passed bills...

TheMercenary 02-10-2010 09:16 PM
Even Caferty is pissed...

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=A6_xgKWzhRw

classicman 02-10-2010 09:35 PM
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"What a horrible woman she is."

xoxoxoBruce 02-10-2010 11:29 PM
What the hell is the difference between kosher Bourbon and regular Bourbon? :eyebrow:


edit; Shenanigans...
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Straight Bourbon (Sour Mash is a variety of Bourbon) is acceptable. Some examples of Bourbons are Bookers, Basil Hayden, Bakers, Knob Creek, Jack Daniel’s, Jim Beam, Maker’s Mark, Old Crow, Old Granddad, Old Weller, Wild Turkey.
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TheMercenary 02-10-2010 11:31 PM
A Rabbi?

richlevy 02-11-2010 04:46 PM
Food colorings and flavors may not be kosher. In general, the laws of kosher are concerned with the ingredients in additives going all of the way back to the natural source.

For example, the hard coating on some candies is made from bug parts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shellac)

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Shellac is edible and it is used as a glazing agent on pills (see excipients) and candies in the form of pharmaceutical glaze (alternatively, confectioner's glaze). Because of its alkaline properties, shellac-coated pills may be used for a timed enteric or colonic release.[16] It is also used to replace the natural wax of the apple, which is removed during the cleaning process.[17] When used for this purpose, it has the food additive E number E904. This coating is not vegan and most likely not vegetarian either as it may, and probably does, contain crushed insects. In the tablet manufacture trade, it is sometimes referred to as "beetlejuice"[citation needed] for this reason.
So just like some fast food places using beef fat for french fries, you can no longer assume that a vegetable or fruit is 'vegetarian' or 'kosher'. I've never seen a 'these apples contain shellac' sign at my supermarket.

Clodfobble 02-11-2010 10:56 PM
There are also some fruit waxes that contain casein (derived from cow dairy.) Gotta go organic if you want to be sure, especially with apples.

tw 02-11-2010 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by richlevy (Post 634127)
Food colorings and flavors may not be kosher. In general, the laws of kosher are ...
... being disucssed in a forum called Politics. Is that an accident?

xoxoxoBruce 02-12-2010 12:10 AM
Accident? No, exploring the details of the accusations, which appear to be bogus. If they repurchased booze they already had, to avoid miffing the Jews, it's politics.

TheMercenary 02-17-2010 07:58 PM
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But Senator Bayh's explanation that recent events had convinced him that "there is too much partisanship and not enough progress" in Washington made entirely too much sense for it possibly to be true. After all, such a decision would be principled, maybe even noble - and in Washington these days, that sounds downright inconceivable.

The two issues Senator Bayh mentioned as straws that broke the camel's back were the failure to establish a bipartisan commission to force Congress to consider fixes to the federal government's long-term budget problems, and the collapse of a compromise jobs bill negotiated by Republican and Democratic senators. Both are excellent examples of politics taking precedence over what's best for the country.
No shit...

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opi...0,246342.story

TheMercenary 03-09-2010 12:36 PM
Well no nanny state here...

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Lawmakers working to craft a new comprehensive immigration bill have settled on a way to prevent employers from hiring illegal immigrants: a national biometric identification card all American workers would eventually be required to obtain.

Under the potentially controversial plan still taking shape in the Senate, all legal U.S. workers, including citizens and immigrants, would be issued an ID card with embedded information, such as fingerprints, to tie the card to the worker.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...WhatsNewsThird

Happy Monkey 03-09-2010 05:51 PM
I'm a big privacy fan, and no fan of Lindsey Graham, but this quote...
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Originally Posted by Lindsey Graham
"We've all got Social Security cards, they're just easily tampered with. Make them tamper-proof. That's all I'm saying."
... has something to it. Social Security cards are pathetic. "Tamper-proof" isn't remotely possible, but it might not be bad to require more than a color copier.

Not that I support the whole proposal. I don't see the need for most employers to have your fingerprints on file, and if they don't have that, then there's no use for them to be on the card. And, while I see why the cops might have a different viewpoint, I certainly don't see the need for the government to have everybody's fingerprints on file.

TheMercenary 03-09-2010 06:55 PM
Look, anything that begins to apply more specific information is one step closer a non-republic state. It is the ultimate in the Big-brother take over of our system. Fuck that.

classicman 03-10-2010 02:10 PM
Some type of universal ID card seems like a good idea to me - almost like everyone having a passport. Whats wrong with that?

Shawnee123 03-10-2010 02:49 PM
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merc is cold and frightened.

TheMercenary 03-11-2010 10:53 AM
Ha! I'm not even 50, yet. :D

TheMercenary 03-11-2010 11:50 AM
This guy really is a complete idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC211h9AY-4

Tell that to the 36,000 newly unemployed.. sheesh.

TheMercenary 03-11-2010 11:54 AM
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Senate majority leader faces re-election challenge Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hopes that if he repeats a campaign slogan enough, it will become true.

"I'm independent, just like Nevada," the Democrat said Monday after making his campaign official by filing his candidacy with the secretary of state. "The people of Nevada know me. I'm not going to change who I am. I'm the same person today that I used to be."
:lol:

http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/reid-files-87321112.html

skysidhe 03-12-2010 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 633966)
What the hell is the difference between kosher Bourbon and regular Bourbon? :eyebrow:


edit; Shenanigans...

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 633969)
A Rabbi?
:biglaugha

ZenGum 03-13-2010 05:11 PM
When did Nevada declare independence??? and are the rest of you going to invade?

TheMercenary 03-19-2010 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 640677)
When did Nevada declare independence??? and are the rest of you going to invade?
No. But you can be God Damm sure that I will be giving money to anyone who is willing to unseat Reid and run a pole up his ass and tar and feather him on the way out of Congress. :D

classicman 04-02-2010 02:01 PM
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During a House Armed Services Committee hearing on the proposed relocation of naval personnel to the island of Guam, Rep. Hank Johnson expressed his concern for the stability of the tiny U.S. territory -- not its political stability or its economic stability, but its basic, physical stability.

"My fear that the whole island will become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize," the Georgia Democrat said, making a tipping motion with his hands.

"We don't anticipate that," Adm. Robert Willard responded.

Guam, like many islands, is attached to the sea floor, and thus unlikely to tip over under normal stresses.
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TheMercenary 04-04-2010 09:11 PM
:lol2:

classicman 04-04-2010 09:27 PM
Don't laugh too hard - He's from Georgia too.

Urbane Guerrilla 04-04-2010 09:55 PM
Man, when you hear something like that out of a Congresscritter's mouth, you remember it's said inbreeding to the point of the incestuous is one way to get really good racehorses -- and then you wonder if that is how they arrived at this worthy Congressman. Unless perhaps it's DC's notorious humidity? Lead-pipe plumbing?

TheMercenary 04-05-2010 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 645864)
Don't laugh too hard - He's from Georgia too.
I have no allegiance to any state. Georgia just happens to be where there is a really low cost of living at the same wages I could earn elsewhere.

TheMercenary 04-06-2010 08:14 PM
Oh God I would just love it if this happened...

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6355N520100406

classicman 04-07-2010 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 646489)
Oh God I would just love it if this happened...

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6355N520100406

The United States should consider raising taxes to help bring deficits under control and may need to consider a European-style value-added tax, White House adviser Paul Volcker said on Tuesday.

Volcker, answering a question from the audience at a New York Historical Society event, said the value-added tax "was not as toxic an idea" as it has been in the past and also said a carbon or other energy-related tax may become necessary.

Though he acknowledged that both were still unpopular ideas, he said getting entitlement costs and the U.S. budget deficit under control may require such moves. "If at the end of the day we need to raise taxes, we should raise taxes," he said.
Why would you love that?

Happy Monkey 04-07-2010 02:04 PM
If the problem is entitlement costs, eliminate the cap on payroll taxes. You don't need a whole new tax.

TheMercenary 04-08-2010 06:41 AM
:lol:
Democrat Rep. Hank Johnson worries loading too many people onto Guam could capsize the island

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...son-guam-.html

classicman 04-08-2010 08:45 AM
You are losing it Merc - look above at post #275 and your reply below ...

TheMercenary 04-08-2010 08:57 AM
Duhooo!

Strange, I can't edit it or delete it.. whatever. you will just have to put up with it. :D

TheMercenary 04-08-2010 02:47 PM
CROWLEY: Enemies of the stateAdministration smears some opponents, arrests others

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By Monica Crowley

During President George W. Bush's two terms, you couldn't drive far without seeing a particular bumper sticker: "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." Now that Democrats control the White House and Congress, the left treats dissent as the lowest form of treason. When the left agitates over government policies, it's considered righteous anger. When the right - and much of the center - agitate, it's painted as the rantings of the criminally and violently insane.

With Obamacare signed into law, Democrats have stopped congratulating themselves long enough to notice that the American people aren't cheering on the sidelines. According to a CNN poll released last week, 58 percent oppose President Obama's handling of Obamacare, while Gallup shows him this week with a 46 percent job approval, his lowest yet. A CBS poll released after the House of Representatives passed Obamacare showed Speaker Nancy Pelosi's favorable rating at 11 percent and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's at 8 percent, higher only than Beelzebub's.

Aware that their "reform" is rejected by most of the American people and that they will face serious consequences in November, the Democrats have decided that the best defense is a good offense: Attack those who oppose Obamacare. It doesn't seem to bother most Democrats that that pernicious strategy puts them in the weird and politically untenable position of attacking most of the American people.

Over the past week, a parade of Democrats have accused members of the Tea Party movement and other opponents of Obamacare of threatening them. There may be an infinitesimal number of looney tunes who have engaged in that kind of unacceptable behavior out of hundreds of millions of Americans. But the Democrats have dishonestly extrapolated from a few claimed incidents to taint all those who reject Obamacare as wild-eyed wackos.

If this sounds familiar, it's because the Democrats have shown a disturbing pattern of demonizing those who disagree with them. A year ago, Mr. Obama's Department of Homeland Security issued a report for law enforcement called "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment." It suggested that anyone who opposed abortion, illegal immigration and oppressive taxes, supported gun rights or served in Iraq and Afghanistan should be singled out for special attention. Why? Because such people might burst into a spasm of violence at any time. There was no mention of being on the lookout for potential violence committed by Islamic jihadists, even after actual acts of violence committed by an Islamic jihadist in Little Rock. (The Fort Hood shooting happened later.)

In other words, if you go to church, believe in protecting innocent life, own a gun or defend your country, the Democrats consider you a potential enemy of the state. It was no coincidence that the Homeland Security report was issued just as the Tea Party movement was gaining real national traction.

Not surprisingly, then, once they had passed their widely unpopular health care bill, the Democrats moved quickly to delegitimize opposition to it. Their defiant move in the face of overwhelming popular resistance gave them another excuse to equate big-government progressives with good patriots and small government advocates with potentially violent nutcases who must be watched.

As if on cue, this week, Homeland Security, the FBI and the Department of Justice's Joint Terrorism Task Force carried out raids against a purported "Christian militia group" in the Midwest. According to reports, nine people have been charged with plotting to kill police officers with "weapons of mass destruction." The indictment describes the group as an "anti-government extremist organization" and the FBI special agent in charge, Andrew Arena, cast it as "radical and fringe." That may be, but the description has a conveniently familiar ring to it.

Interestingly, the head of the Michigan branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), Dawud Walid, rushed to announce the raids at a CAIR banquet at about the same time the story became public. "We salute the FBI for breaking up a militia that was seeking to harm American Muslims," he said. It's curious that he would know that at a time when the FBI still had the investigation under seal. (We're still waiting to hear why Homeland Security and the FBI chose to use the descriptive word "Christian" when they seem unable to use the word "Muslim" in connection with Islamic extremism.)

It's mind-blowingly coincidental that these raids on a supposedly "Christian" militia group would come at the exact moment that Democrats were trying to change public opinion on Obamacare by claiming persecution by their opponents. They have cast Tea Partiers, conservatives, independents, Christians and militia members as all cut from the same unstable, volatile cloth. How can anyone take their opposition to the Democrats' agenda seriously when they're toting guns and being raided by Homeland Security and the FBI? They're all nuts, don't you know?

The Democrats handle dissent by isolating it, smearing it and delegitimizing it in order to crush it. The warning should be clear: If you have small-government, traditional values, you may be considered by your own leadership to be an enemy of the state.
Monica Crowley is a nationally syndicated radio host, a panelist on "The McLaughlin Group" and a Fox News contributor

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...=home_showcase

Redux 04-08-2010 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 647136)
CROWLEY: Enemies of the stateAdministration smears some opponents, arrests others



Monica Crowley is a nationally syndicated radio host, a panelist on "The McLaughlin Group" and a Fox News contributor

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...=home_showcase
Monica Crowley is another one of those blonde bombshells on the right...just not as well known as Coulter or others.

You whine about propaganda....but pretend that this partisan opinion piece is not propaganda?

So whats your point?

TheMercenary 04-08-2010 08:06 PM
Like or not, her assessment is accurate.

Redux 04-08-2010 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 647227)
Like or not, her assessment is accurate.
Of course, we know that you believe with all your heart that conservative talking points are factual and liberal talking points are propaganda.

TheMercenary 04-08-2010 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 647229)
Of course, we know that you believe with all your heart that conservative talking points are factual and liberal talking points are propaganda.
Fail.

It has little with "conservative talking points", for you it has only to do with anyone who disagrees with your Demoncratic and White House talking points. Just admit it. You continue to be a shill for the Party of the Dems. I support no party.

Redux 04-08-2010 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 647227)
Like or not, her assessment is accurate.
Its simple, Merc.

Prove that her assessment is accurate...and not with partisan opinions but with objective cites.

TheMercenary 04-08-2010 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 647234)
Its simple, Merc.

Prove that her assessment is accurate...and not with partisan opinions but with objective cites.
It is an assessment. I could give a shit if you agree with anything I post. Your partisan opinions are not important to me. If you think it is bullshit prove it is not accurate, you are the one who is disputing it... And while you dispute it, use objective cites.

Redux 04-08-2010 08:22 PM
So you demand that I provide cites to back it up when I state and fact or an assessment and you demand that I prove your links and assessments are not factual. No burden of proof is ever on you.

Nice try.....I never was on a debate team, but I think it is fair to say that if we were in a formal debate, you would have been tossed from the stage.

TheMercenary 04-08-2010 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 647237)
So you demand that I provide cites to back it up when I state and fact or an assessment and you demand that I prove your links and assessments are not factual. No burden of proof is ever on you.

Nice try.....I never was on a debate team, but I think it is fair to say that if we were in a formal debate, you would have been tossed from the stage.
You are the one who is disputing the assessment, dispute it. I am good with the assessment as it stands. Prove it wrong, pretty simple, I am not asking for much. You are so sure of your convictions. All I am asking is for you to pony up. I generally agree with what she stated, not all of it, but generally she reflect the feelings of a lot of people today. If you think it is wrong, state where and why you think it is wrong. Oh, and cite with objective data, or if you like just state your opinion.... :rolleyes:

Redux 04-08-2010 08:31 PM
You know, the funny thing is if your name was UG, people here would be all over your ass...you say much of the same as UG, but his are more humorous and less hateful.

But your "friends" are more than happy to criticize UG, but give you a pass. I'm been around long enough now to know how it plays out here.

I would love to get you in a formal debate here...no links, an objective moderator to ask questions.....but I dont think you have the balls to do it.

Let the people decide. :)

TheMercenary 04-08-2010 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 647245)
You know, the funny thing is if your name was UG, people here would be all over your ass...you say much of the same as UG.

But your "friends" are more than happy to criticize UG, but give you a pass.

I would love to get you in a formal debate here...no links, an objective moderator to ask questions.....but I dont think you have the balls to do it.

Let the people decide. :)
No, really, I am completely open. You have the floor. If you want to dispute the "assessment" that this person has put forward, and so many agree with, please do so. You have my undivided attention. If it is so "partisan" you should be able to just pick it apart.

I respectfully await your response.

Redux 04-08-2010 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 647247)
No, really, I am completely open. You have the floor. If you want to dispute the "assessment" that this person has put forward, and so many agree with, please do so. You have my undivided attention. If it is so "partisan" you should be able to just pick it apart.

I respectfully await your response.
Respectfully?

Come on, dude. What ever I post and cite, you will immediately call propaganda or talking points. Anything that contradicts you opinion is automatically propaganda...the CBO, the GAO, independent economists, etc.

That is hardly respectful...or honest.

Find an objective moderator...even from within your family here.....Let that person post questions and we offer our response w/o attacking the other's opinion.

Set a time and lets do it!

TheMercenary 04-08-2010 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 647251)
Respectfully?

Come on, dude. What ever I post and cite, you will immediately call propaganda or talking points. Anything that contradicts you opinion is automatically propaganda...the CBO, the GAO, independent economists, etc.

That is hardly respectful...or honest.

Find an objective moderator...even from within your family here.....Let that person post questions and we offer our response w/o attacking the other's opinion.

Set a time and lets do it!
1. The GAO and CBO are not independent. They take data that is given to them by the Administration or Congress and produce results that are only based on the data given them. That is an established fact.

2. I do not represent any one party. You have stated on a number of occassions that you do. You are not objective. I am not objective because I disagree with much, but not all, of what the current Administration is doing to our country.

Oh, and I think Pelosi is an evil bitch and should be ousted from power by any legal means available. :D (I know you love her)

TheMercenary 04-08-2010 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 647251)
Set a time and lets do it!
How about a duel?:stickpoke

Redux 04-08-2010 08:52 PM
So I take it that you are not interested in an objective/moderated discussion where you have to justify your opinion and not simply attack.

I propose UT as moderator...our own Tm Russert or Tony Snow...two late (but only one great) talking head/moderators types.

Let me know if you change your mind and we can set the rules with UT.


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