Right.

The evidence is much more compelling that it was the result of putting more CIA assets in the field in Afghanistan and Pakistan several years ago and then NSA's intercept of e-mails and phone calls, based on what those assets found or heard.

And almost all reputable primary-source accounts not from Republican candidates for office state unequivocally that not only was "enhanced interrogation" not a significant factor, and not only did tortured prisoners actually give misleading and utterly unhelpful testimony, but in fact all the prisoner-derived intel helpful to the case was either accidentally gained (that is to say, the prisoner let slip information without intending to let it slip) or given by detainees NOT subject to "enhanced" techniques or torture.

I'm not entirely willing to say that I don't think there is a time or a place for the more "mild" forms of torture - of course if one wants to make WHAT IF THE TERRORIST KNOWS WHERE THE BOMB IS AND ITS THE ONLY WAY arguments, then i grudgingly support SOME forms of "enhanced interrogation" - but I also firmly believe that in almost all cases, intelligence gained through torture is dubious at best, and even more so, that rule of law should be supreme.
If the US is to honestly act on "enhanced interrogation" techniques regarded under the Geneva Convention as torture, then I believe that the US should disengage itself from the Geneva Convention and any other international treaties that ban the actions taken.

They discovered the nickname of Bin Laden's body guard/primary courier at Guantanamo. It was a long complicated investigation from there.

It wasn't really him. It was a look alike surrounded by whores.

I don't think anyody is denying that the prisoners at Guantanemo were the source of intelligence. It's whether that intelligence was the result of enhanced or standard interrogation techniques that is being questioned. From the reports I have read it would appear that the information was the result of standard techniques.

Looks like the birthers are deathers now?

I may be being totally dense, but I don't get this:p

They wanted proof that Obama was born
now they want proof that Osama has died

One out of three conservative Republicans still believe Obama is a Muslim.

@ Griff: ahh thanks. yes that makes sense.



Seriously? That's pretty frightening.

A Pew poll from last year. The number is probably higher today, given how Obama evidently "butt fucked" :eek: Israel in his recent speech, according to those same Republican conservatives.

http://pewforum.org/uploadedImages/T...erchart-05.png

http://pewforum.org/Politics-and-Ele...-a-Muslim.aspx

Those who dont like him or trust him accept what they want to believe, particularly when it is indirectly reinforced by the talking heads and even Republican members of Congress.

I'm not sure if that's amusing or scary. It only lists Christians and "unaffiliated", are there any polls on the opinions of Muslims?

Or Jews, Hindus, Bhuddists, Shintoists, Pagans, Athiests, Jainists, etc.?

The actual poll question was:
Now, thinking about Barack Obama’s religious beliefs… Do you happen to know what Barack Obama’s religion is? Is he Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, agnostic, or something else?

That is frightening. Then again,
Only half of the D's think he is Christian. WTF?

A lot of democrats don't care about the "christian/non-christian" thing. Only 7% said muslim. The other large percentage was don't know, which would translate for me "don't care."

So, NOT saying he's christian does not equal "he's muslim."

Or something.

There are two different types of 'don't know'.

Q1. Does Infinite Monkey have any children?
A. I don't know, we've never spoke about it and I haven't heard, I have no way of knowing.

Q2. Is Barack Obama a Muslim?
A. I don't know, he says he's a Christian but he looks like one of 'em Muslims to me.

Well a number of high ranking officials said the Enhanced Interrogation Techniques played a part in finding Bin Laden, among them were Leon Panetta, CIA Chief, who stated on NBC's Brian Williams that the intell obtained via enhanced interrogations helped the agency find Bin Laden. Jose Rodriguez also stated for Time Magazine that such techniques made the operation possible. He ran the CIA counterterrorism center from 2002 - 2005. So I guess they lied.:rolleyes:

I think Colbert did a bit like that. Something to the effect:

I don't know that Sarah Palin suckles ligers at her breast.

I don't know that Karl Rove suck big donkey dicks.

:unsure:

This is getting good!

You can spin his statement pretty much any way you want. He doesn't say the water boarding helped. He said it happened.

No, he was purposefully vague. He never confirmed nor denied that it was specifically waterboarding that was what got the confessions. He said Enhanced Interrogation Techniques. That can be a whole list of things. He said those techniques contributed to the capture. Nothing more, nothing less. And you can spin it anyway you want, actionable information was gathered, albeit, delayed, that lead to the eventual killing of OBL.

The truth is that we don't know for sure one way or the other.

The only thing we can be sure of is that anyone who automatically believes what the politicians and military people involved say is an utter fool.

And that should be the end of it, and people who respect the profession should STFU and leave it alone. Stop asking questions and move about with the same level of Freedom you had a little while ago. Obama had very little to do with this mission, other than giving the ok. Does any swinging dick here think for one minute that Clinton or Bush 1 or Bush 2 or Kennedy for that matter would not have given the same go ahead given the current situation???? No. Every single one of them would have done the same thing. And that is why Obama had little to nothing to do with the event. The curry goes to those in the arena who have been on the hunt since day one, long before Obama came on the scene. Obama pushed the button, but 99% of those before him would have done the same thing, and that makes his action irrelevant. I give him much less credit than those in the field, who set the stage before him who did the work and get none of the glory. As it should be....

Just don't try to get re-elected on the event or I and many others will crucify you for your attempts to exploit the event that you had very little to do with....

You're gonna crucify Obama or just more Mercenary Madness? :eek:

You coward Reflux. Come on dude own up.

ANYone but Obama in 2012. Shit, I could elect Micky Mouse and this mofo could do a better job than this asshole.

You're delusional and obsessed with a relationship that only exists in your mind. Kinda scary but still amusing.

I agree, anyone who can continue to support this asshole of a President is completely delusional. Great entertainment if I may say so.... carry on.

Obama is out in 2012.

Perps justifying their actions, no surprise there.

I respect what junkyard dogs do, but keep them on a short leash, because specialists believe their mission takes precedence and the end justifies the means. According to Yon's dispatches he was more than a little involved for months, questioning and re-questioning to make sure they had all their ducks in a row... covered all contingencies. I wouldn't expect him to swim the Atlantic with a Bowie knife in his teeth.
Well duh, that's what he said. You'll do jack shit, except piss & moan, spew hate, and vote against him, just like before.:p:

Well put, but I don't really see the value in engaging with tehmurk no learning will take place.

For a while we were getting "push polls" where the questioner would call and ask something like "Upon learning that Infinite Monkey has fifteen restraining orders out against her for internet stalking would that make you more or less likely to nominate her to be a mod who would then have access to your IP?"

Of course you aren't saying this is true, but you've planted the seed in people's mind, and for a lot of my fellow country persons, the elevator doesn't quite make it to the top floor...

14. Great investigation techniques, wannabes.

Uh, yeah. Listen, Infi there's something I forgot to tell you...

For the lurkers, please think of the lurkers.;)

I'll give you that much, oh and I will help crucify him if he tries to use it to get re-elected. :thumb: :D

And replaced by who? Ron Paul? Tim Pawlenty? Michelle Bachmann?

:lol2:

:lol2: x 2!

Palin?

C'mon - Merc is a Santorum supporter (pun intended)

I don't practice Rick Santorum
Though I got some on my ball
If I had a million Weiners, well
Rick would chop them all

If Huckabee quit the Republican race, why the fuck is he calling me 3 or 4 times a week?

I would <NOT> vote for a single one of those fucks. Include Obama in that list.

Please clarify this statement, mercy. I don't understand. Thanks.

Thanks for pointing out my missing bit. Cheers.

who would you vote for as POTUS?

Haven't seen anyone enter the field, or even dance around entering the field that I would vote for.