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tw 02-15-2010 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SamIam (Post 634831)
Well, with global warming and rising oceans and more extreme weather to come, I think the entire Gulf Coast should be relocated to Kentucky.

Imagine that daily walk to the beach.

ZenGum 02-16-2010 02:13 AM

Every city on the west coast of the US is at risk from the San Andreas Fault. Every city on the East coast is a risk from a tsunami from the collapse of a known undersea cliff formation near the Canary Islands. New Orleans is ... well ...

Sorry, guys, but the only safe place is in fact Ohio.

classicman 02-16-2010 10:34 AM

ROAD TRIP!!! Everyone head to Shaw's house immediately!
There is no other safe place and she's probably at work so we could drink her beer and eat her chips before she even knows we are there.

tw 02-16-2010 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 634937)
Sorry, guys, but the only safe place is in fact Ohio.

Which is the home of the Davis-Besse nuclear power plant with both a hole in its containment dome AND a known Three Mile Island problem. But it continued operating anyway because mistakes in OH are acceptable.

Or First Energy whose operations were so hazardous as to creat the entire NE blackout from Michigan and Indiana, through Ontario, and all of New York. First Energy happened when bean counters bought Dayton Electric, Todelo Edison, Penn Electric, and soon Allegheny Energy. First Energy also owns Three Mile Island.

Otherwise OH is a safer place.

Clodfobble 02-16-2010 10:56 PM

Texas is pretty safe as long as we're a couple hundred miles inland from the Gulf, right tw? I'm just trying to keep my emergency disaster plan up-to-date.

xoxoxoBruce 02-16-2010 11:06 PM

No place is safe from Mother Nature, you puny humans. Muhahahahahahahaha. :reaper:

skysidhe 02-16-2010 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 635016)
ROAD TRIP!!! Everyone head to Shaw's house immediately!
There is no other safe place and she's probably at work so we could drink her beer and eat her chips before she even knows we are there.

I think this is a great idea.

She'll be so overcome with joy she probably won't even notice the potato chip crumbs all over the carpet or mind cellar people fighting over her last beer.

tw 02-17-2010 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 635238)
Texas is pretty safe as long as we're a couple hundred miles inland from the Gulf, right tw? I'm just trying to keep my emergency disaster plan up-to-date.

As long as your bus driver does not have burning brakes...

and Saddam does not come back from the grave seeking revenge with his finally located WMDs.

Well, its a big state. And Saddam only had little WMDs. Your probably safe.

Clodfobble 02-17-2010 07:29 AM

That's true, World War III is probably going to be started with Middle Eastern nukes striking New York, Los Angeles, and Crawford. I'm screwed.

Spexxvet 02-17-2010 08:44 AM

I think W sold his place in Crawford (no need to appear to be a common guy any longer), so you're safe. ust as long as the terrorists are up on current events. :)

Shawnee123 02-17-2010 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe (Post 635241)
I think this is a great idea.

She'll be so overcome with joy she probably won't even notice the potato chip crumbs all over the carpet or mind cellar people fighting over her last beer.

First rule: there is always more beer. I'll buy, you fly.

Second rule: any food you find on the floor is all yours. I take no responsibility for any food-borne illness, however.

Third rule: you must shovel snow.

skysidhe 02-17-2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 635294)
First rule: there is always more beer. I'll buy, you fly.

get a man

I don't fly on orders.

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 635294)
Second rule: any food you find on the floor is all yours. I take no responsibility for any food-borne illness, however.

get a dog. I don't fucking eat shit off the floor even if you think yours is golden

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 635294)
Third rule: you must shovel snow.

get a man.

or someone who is good at shoveling shit.. like ..ah you


Three strikes and I'm out.

Shawnee123 02-17-2010 11:26 AM

Hey beeatch, I was a jokin'

so, um, fuck you.

My house is dirty (my floor is golden? why are you so dumb?) there is snow everywhere, and I was more than happy to drink a beer with you.

Hahahahahahaa...I thought I detected niceness...you're a wily one.

But go ahead, get on the bandwagon. You feel better? Popularity was slipping?

And I have a man, I just don't have to act like a whore to get him to do stuff for me.

And thanks, sky. It's refreshing, how different you are than most people.

Spexxvet 02-17-2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe (Post 635338)
get a man

I don't fly on orders.



get a dog. I don't fucking eat shit off the floor even if you think yours is golden



get a man.

or someone who is good at shoveling shit.. like ..ah you


Three strikes and I'm out.

That's a bit harsh.

Shawnee123 02-17-2010 12:40 PM

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lumberjim 02-27-2010 09:25 AM

tsunami warning for Hawaii in wake of Chilean Shaker

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Chile earthquake generates cross-Pacific tsunami

February 27, 2010

Tokyo (AP) — People in Hawaii were urgently told to protect lives and property from a tsunami crossing the Pacific as fast as a jetliner after a devastating earthquake in Chile.
Tsunami waves were likely to hit Asian, Australian and New Zealand shores within 24 hours of the earthquake, which struck early Saturday on Chile's coast.
Though notoriously hard to predict, the tsunami was not expected to be as devastating as the waves generated after a magnitude-9.5 earthquake hit Chile in 1960. Most countries, awaiting further data, did not order evacuations Saturday but instead advised people in low-lying areas to watch for further updates.
The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center in Hawaii advised that a tsunami was possible in the northern Pacific, including the U.S. West Coast and Alaska.
"Sea-level readings confirm that a tsunami has been generated which could cause widespread damage," the center said in a bulletin after the magnitude-8.8 quake. "Authorities should take appropriate action to respond to this threat."
The center noted that tsunami wave heights are difficult to predict because they can vary significantly along a coast due to the local topography.
Some Pacific nations in the warning area were heavily damaged by a tsunami last year. On Sept. 29, a tsunami spawned by a magnitude-8.3 earthquake killed 34 people in American Samoa, 183 in Samoa and nine in Tonga. Scientists later said that wave was 46 feet (14 meters) high.
Past South American earthquakes have had deadly effects across the Pacific.
A tsunami after the magnitude-9.5 quake that struck Chile in 1960, the largest earthquake ever recorded, killed about 140 people in Japan, 61 in Hawaii and 32 in the Philippines. That tsunami was about 3.3 to 13 feet (one to four meters) in height, Japan's Meteorological Agency said.
The tsunami from Saturday's quake was likely to be much smaller because the quake itself was not as strong.

skysidhe 02-27-2010 03:24 PM

I was just reading up on Tsunami.

To be out of the danger zone it's 2 miles in or 100 feet above sea level.

xoxoxoBruce 02-27-2010 03:58 PM

Depends on topography. The '64 Alaska quake produced waves that were generally less than 70 feet, but over 100 ft in Cook Inlet, and further down the coast, a dead end bay was stripped of all the soil and vegetation, for several hundred feet elevation up the sides of the hills. Kansas in safer.;)

skysidhe 02-27-2010 06:09 PM

geez

So the bays and inlets suck all the water inland?

As far as Hawaii goes I found it odd that the alarm sirens will ring at the 3 hour mark. I think I'd want a faster head start. A mass exodus out of the danger zone makes 3 hours pretty tight.

xoxoxoBruce 02-27-2010 08:36 PM

They usually narrow down and get shallow quickly, that increases the impact at the end like it was coming through a funnel.

TheMercenary 02-28-2010 09:52 AM

We had one tsunami warning when we lived in Hawaii. It was pretty wild. The highest points in our area of the island were where all the cemetarys were located. So hords of people showed up and just camped for a few hours, had picnics, and drank. It was interesting.

tw 02-28-2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 638158)
The highest points in our area of the island were where all the cemetarys were located. So hords of people showed up and just camped for a few hours, had picnics, and drank. It was interesting.

It must have scared the shit out of the ghosts.

Aliantha 02-28-2010 08:59 PM

We were on alert for a tsunami, but in the end the waves that got here were pretty tiny. Dazza is in New Caledonia on business at the moment, so I was a bit concerned for him, but there wasn't too much to report there either.

tw 02-28-2010 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 638289)
We were on alert for a tsunami, but in the end the waves that got here were pretty tiny.

Apparently the waves went the other direction - into Chile.

Aliantha 02-28-2010 09:06 PM

Isn't that where they started from? Due to the earthquake...

tw 02-28-2010 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 638294)
Isn't that where they started from? Due to the earthquake...

The earthquake was in the ocean offshore of Maule, Chile. It was an 8.8 followed 30 minutes later by a 6.2. A tsunami would be caused by land movement beneath the ocean and just off the coast.

Apparently Chile was struck by a 10 meter wave.

xoxoxoBruce 02-28-2010 10:27 PM

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FOX News seems to think the tsunami knocked Sydney clear across the continent.:rolleyes:

Aliantha 02-28-2010 11:26 PM

haha...that's just so ironic (if you're not a huge fan of fox news).

That's not even where Darwin is, or any other major city. There are only a few small ports there to support the fishing industry in the gulf, and there are a few mining communities and some aboriginal tribal lands. No huge thriving metropolis. lol

xoxoxoBruce 02-28-2010 11:29 PM

And crocodiles.

Aliantha 02-28-2010 11:29 PM

Oh and tw, I'd be interested to know where you got your info from about the 10m waves in Chile. So far, the best I could find were 3.5m waves in the Robinson Crusoe islands.

classicman 03-01-2010 12:57 PM

Hi Ali! <don't hold your breath>

SamIam 03-01-2010 02:41 PM

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It's also emerged that the tsunami generated by the earthquake was more severe than earlier assessments and the coastal towns badly affected.

The scenes from small towns near the ocean in Concepcion state show utter devastation.

Boats and cars have been turned over by the tsunami and the earthquake has also caused many buildings to collapse.
http://www.radioaustralianews.net.au...49.htm?desktop

It sounds to me that the tsunami in Chile could easily have been 10 feet or more. :eyebrow:

Aliantha 03-01-2010 04:19 PM

Well 10 feet is a lot different to 10 metres. It's less than a third the size. 10 feet is about the maximum wave size I've been able to find.

Hey Classic. :)

tw 03-01-2010 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 638475)
Well 10 feet is a lot different to 10 metres. It's less than a third the size. 10 feet is about the maximum wave size I've been able to find.

With the report were pictures of 50 foot fishing vessels deposited well inland. More than what a 10 foot wave might have done. Reports put the wave penetrating as much as one half or a full kilometer inland. Also noted was one building in which 350 people died or are missing.

Due to the underwater location of that quake, a tsunami on Chile's coast would be limited to a in a narrow region north of Conception.

Aliantha 03-01-2010 08:10 PM

The effects were felt - however mild - all over the pacific, including in Australia. I wouldn't call that a narrow region.

ZenGum 03-02-2010 06:16 AM

A normal wave that is ten feet high is maybe 20 feet thick. A tsunami with a ten foot front may be several hundred feet thick. I will be moving faster and so has the momentum to "run-on" inland and up hills. Height aint everything.

classicman 03-02-2010 08:06 AM

That makes much more sense - thanks Zen.

SamIam 03-02-2010 10:54 AM

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PELLUHUE, Chile – The 40 retirees enjoying summer vacation at a seaside campground nestled under pine trees knew they had to move fast after Chile's powerful earthquake struck.
They didn't make it. The tsunami came in three waves, surging 200 meters (yards) into this Pacific Ocean resort town and dragging away the bus they'd piled into, hoping to get to high ground. Most of those inside were the retired Chileans, and only five of their bodies had been found by Monday, firefighters and witnesses said...


"We ran through the highest part of town, yelling, 'Get out of your homes!'" said Claudio Escalona, 43, who fled his home near the campground with his wife and daughters, ages 4 and 6. "About 20 minutes later came three waves, two of them huge, about 6 meters (18 feet) each, and a third even bigger. That one went into everything."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100302/...N1bmFtaXN3ZXB0

So Chile, at least, was seriously impacted by tsunami's. How awful for the poor people on that bus. :(

TheMercenary 03-02-2010 12:33 PM

A 10 foot was is just over 3 meters high.

lookout123 03-02-2010 12:58 PM

i think 10 foot was's are scary as shit.

Pie 03-02-2010 03:46 PM

footfootfootfootfootfootfootfootfootfoot?

tw 03-02-2010 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 638314)
Oh and tw, I'd be interested to know where you got your info from about the 10m waves in Chile.

ABC News is now reporting one wave was 15 meters. And again, the tsunami (the only part that is significant) would be limited only to a narrow part of the Chilean coast apparently because the quake was in the ocean and directed at the coast - not out to sea. Quake was maybe 100 to 250 kilometers offshore.

xoxoxoBruce 03-02-2010 07:10 PM

The pictures at Boston dot com make it appear as the tsunami did as much damage as the quake, but that may be because it makes better pictures.

But the quake did make our days shorter by 1.26 microseconds.

SamIam 03-02-2010 07:46 PM

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This picture from Boston.com really intrigued me. I wonder if the rescuers mistook the dog's whining for a human being. Its a sweet picture but shouldn't they have been digging up man, not man's best friend? :eyebrow:

xoxoxoBruce 03-02-2010 07:48 PM

They are searching house by house, and bringing out everything alive, even people.

SamIam 03-03-2010 06:37 PM

Here's an interesting tidbit: NASA scientists claim that the massive earthquake that shook Chile on Saturday may have shifted Earth's axis by about 3 inches (8 centimeters) and shortened its days by about one-millionth of a second.

Damn just when I thought Spring was comimg. :headshake

TheMercenary 03-03-2010 07:14 PM

That has to be a good thing.

xoxoxoBruce 03-04-2010 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SamIam (Post 638948)
Here's an interesting tidbit: NASA scientists claim that the massive earthquake that shook Chile on Saturday may have shifted Earth's axis by about 3 inches (8 centimeters) and shortened its days by about one-millionth of a second.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 638749)
But the quake did make our days shorter by 1.26 microseconds.

:haha:

Pete Zicato 03-04-2010 09:11 AM

I'm fairly upset about it. I was having trouble getting all my shit done before. This is just going to make it harder. :rolleyes:

tw 03-04-2010 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete Zicato (Post 639033)
I'm fairly upset about it. I was having trouble getting all my shit done before. This is just going to make it harder.

And then Congress created daylight savings time. Lose even more time.

Is that another hidden tax?

xoxoxoBruce 03-04-2010 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe (Post 637973)
I was just reading up on Tsunami.

To be out of the danger zone it's 2 miles in or 100 feet above sea level.


Sidhe, this is the biggie.

ZenGum 03-05-2010 01:39 AM

Re Bruce's link :

1. :eek:
2. there is probably a slight inaccuracy in the way it is written. The headline refers to a wave 1,720 feet tall. The graphs indicate that vegetation was stripped up to this altitude, which still rates as OMG, but does not mean the wave was 1,720 feet tall. That is the "run-on height", the distance the wave climbs up the land before losing energy.
There was a giant asteroid movie about ten years ago - Armageddon? - in which a chunk of the asteroid hit the Atlantic ocean and sent a tsunami onto North America. They got the physics of the wave pretty much right. A 200 foot wave could run a thousand feet up a hill with the right conditions.

Think for a moment about the landslide that started the Alaskan wave. Here are my back-of-envelope numbers, I think I calculated the acceleration correctly but my fellow nerds are invited to check: 30 million cubic metres, at average crustal density of 5 tons per cubic metre, yields about 150 million tons of rock. Falling from 900 metres (assuming no friction) would take about 13 seconds and deliver a final velocity around 130 m/s, or 488km/h - a little under 300 mph.

DanaC 03-05-2010 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SamIam (Post 638754)
This picture from Boston.com really intrigued me. I wonder if the rescuers mistook the dog's whining for a human being. Its a sweet picture but shouldn't they have been digging up man, not man's best friend? :eyebrow:

I'd like to think, that if my village was levelled by an earthquake or other natural disaster, the rescue services would pull Pilau from the wreckage if they heard him whining.

Y'just pull out whatever is alive and rescuable.

SamIam 03-05-2010 08:44 AM

Of course I would want my kittens rescued. I luv them. But I would feel terrible if they were rescued at the expense of a human life. That was my only concern. :(

classicman 03-05-2010 08:51 AM

I really doubt that if the rescuers heard an animal in one place and a person in another that they would concentrate their efforts on the animal.:eyebrow:

Then again, there are a few animals I'd rather . . . nevermind.

Shawnee123 03-05-2010 08:51 AM

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Of course I would want my kittens rescued. I luv them. But I would feel terrible if they were rescued at the expense of a human life. That was my only concern.
Not me. My cats are worth about 20 humans, depending on the humans. No ulterior motives, ya know? They're very clear about what they want, and what they'll do for it. In exchange for food and warmth and lovin's, they return poo and barf and lovin's :)

No, I know what you mean but I doubt it was at the expense of humans. They heard a poor puppy whining and of course got him out.

glatt 03-05-2010 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 639148)

That's pretty freaking impressive.

Pie 03-05-2010 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 639148)

That's really cool, Bruce. Like dropping a bag of sand into one end of a full bathtub and seeing the waves slosh over everything.
http://geology.com/records/biggest-t...y-overview.jpg

xoxoxoBruce 03-24-2010 06:30 AM

Check out this 3 minute, life goes on in Haiti, video.
It's beautiful and not a downer, honest.
Would I lie to you*... my oldest and dearest friends?











*If it didn't involve money or sex.

SamIam 03-24-2010 11:22 AM

Nice clip, Bruce. It all looks so primative, doesn't it?


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