That's what all the dementia folks say.

How are things there at the home? Getting enough to eat, good healthcare, are they keeping you safe?

I don't think he lied, he just misspoke because he has no idea what's going on, not a clue.

Another likely possibility.

But others must always assume that one, who does not say why with perspective, is lying. Any educated person must assume that every time Sen Inhofe of Oklahoma denies global warming. He never knows why. He never provides numbers. He knows only because he feels. That is a classic example of an adult who thinks like a child. So others can only conclude he is lying.

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Me too. Make a little room, willya? Six feet oughta be good.

tw: No.

Stop trusting the talking points of the not-so-Democrats; it will help you avoid political sluttishness that will lead you to the slaves' fetters. I have distrusted them for years.

You do not display the wit to listen to Republicans, let alone Hannity, Elder, or Levin. I am more intelligent than you are.

Saying something is true when you don't know whether it's true or not is also lying.

Saying something is true when you don't care whether it's true or not is bullshitting.

Both can be done simultaneously.

That has been rated 4 Pinocchios by the Washington Post, no less. You are busted. Boy are you busted.:dunce:

And the only thing they wreck seems to be your mood. I must say, it's easy to do.
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Hi UG

Trump didn't say those words, exactly. He definitely implied it (listen for the emotional impact).

Protip, you might not want to spend too much time around the Washington Post's Fact Checker. All those pointy Pinocchios could prove dangerous to your particular bubble.

Neat trick, when I haven't a bubble.

I also haven't a prejudice.

I do work up an abiding dislike for the anti-civil liberties, anticapitalist, and anti-American machinations of a large minority of the American population and their Representatives in Congress. The Annoying Orange has set these latter at their proper valuation, which is considerably smaller than they claim.

Having this dislike, brought on by memory, I urge everyone to vote against 'em.

Because you value your brain (and the sound of your own voice, God love 'em) So. Much. More. Than ours, say what you mean again for us mortals, please. Small words are good ;short sentences are better.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...ed-confiscated

This health crisis has spawned quite a crime spree. I guess when you elect the mobs front you get the mob, who knew?

The mayors and governors hold the President and federal government responsible for providing PPE. Then they complain if the feds appropriate PPE that cities and states have sourced themselves.

With responsibility goes commensurate authority. The mayors and governors relinquished their authority over appropriations when they deflected responsibility to the federal government.

By that logic, the federal government is now responsible for the care and result. But that's not happening, is it? It seems like they only want the authority and not the responsibility.

That's what the cities and states bargained for when they deflected responsibilities. The federal government gets to pick and choose which responsibilities it wants to accept while getting all of the abdicated authority. Its under no obligation to please all of the people all of the time. It's good to be the Fed.

or your logic is flawed.

It's not. Your statement was an erroneous deduction.

Cities and states don't get to assign responsibilities to the feds by defaulting on them. The President doesn't answer to mayors and governors. The President gets to pick and choose answering only to the people in the general election. Another four years of Trump for you.

Come now, really. With that attitude, how valuable is yours? What happens to the value with the attitude shorn off? So here, gratis, free of charge, a pro-tip: empty sarcasm doesn't buy impressiveness; rigorous reason does.

I've got a couple million of these, and I'm always willing to pour them over your head.

If someone has a 30 second attention span. Then thinks about something for 30 seconds. Is that rigorous reasoning? No wonder Clorox is recommended to increase health.

But do you know of anyone who has died from Corvid-19 who ate Tide Pods?

You aren't getting the effect you are trying for.

Except when they get PPE, Trump has FEMA come by and grab it off of them.

So? That's a President's prerogative. There'll also be redistribution between federal agencies to keep the military effective and start rebuilding the national stockpile for the next wave:

Seizing states' property is a presidential prerogative?

Okay. Just keep that in mind.

This is particularly funny, given that the president said he wasn't going to help the states because "he's not a shipping clerk".

Yep, there's a laundry list of Presidential emergency powers.

The President isn't a shipping clerk for the states. He's a procurement officer for the federal government. The states aren't going to fight our battles to support and defend the Constitution … not now; or, in the future.

Cities and states can afford to get tunnel vision. The federal government can't, it has to see the big picture. Hence, the emergency powers.

Powers like...Ripping off the VA for masks and then selling them to foreign governments?

Powers like that?

I mean, why not, right?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ed/5119824002/

Your timelines are skewed. The export to China was back in February when it was hoped to better contain the virus there.

Your references are vague. The accounting was for many types of masks, not just those effective against the virus.

My reference stated that masks ordered by the VA were redirected to the national stockpile.

Sorry you've developed tunnel vision. It's a symptom of being stressed out. Such occurrences are commonplace; but, their numbers make no difference in the grand scheme of things. Lions care not about the thoughts of sheep. If you didn't already have your own cache of PPE, you're a sheep. Another four years of Trump will toughen you up.

Yeah, we're done here.

You were done for before you began. :p:

All masks are effective. Some more than others. Claims or denials say nothing useful without numbers. Even a cloth bandanna is will block 50% of a virus. Other masks will do 70% or 80%. The N95 masks only do 95%.

All masks are effective. Even covering a face with a hand does something useful. Some solutions are more or less effective than others. Any mask is better than none.

From the NY Times of 27 April 2020: 260,000 Words, Full of Self-Praise, From Trump on the Virus What a buffoon.

Due to his 30 second attention span, he probably thought Bugs Bunny was praising him.

Being an adult who is clearly still a child, he only heard what he wanted to hear. Amazing that a few here still do not understand that - even after he praised Nazis, White Supremacists, and the KKK.

He could help educate us. Demonstrate in a next press conference how to drink Clorox. That would put a bright light on everything. A bright light, he told us, also would cure a pandemic.

After his Friday news conference melt down, he now fears questions from the patriotic press - domestic and international. They do not ask the right questions. It does not praise him. Worse, he cannot say "Your fired." That is probably really frustrating for his ego.

Numbers can lie. They don't take into account human behavior. 98% is a statistical certainty, 95% a statistical probability regardless of human behavior. People may take excessive risks in other areas of infection control to their detriment with masks less than 95% effective.

Case in point: years ago, lumbar support belts were recommended by OSHA for workers doing heavy lifting. Employers wanted them used to reduce employee down time and workmen's compensation claims. Insurance companies wanted them used to reduce payouts which they wouldn't give unless the support belts were being worn at time of injury. Governments wanted them used to demonstrate their concern for the health and welfare of their constituents.. The prevailing thought was that anything was better than nothing and OSHA went along with it.

In practical application, employees started doing heavy lifting that they wouldn't have previously done, without help, thinking that the support belts would protect them and give them more time to do their jobs rather than waiting for assistance. The number of injuries shot up dramatically and it became an industry crisis. Employers balked, insurance companies balked, and governments balked as injured employees sued anyone they could over the misrepresentation that they would be safer wearing support belts; because, anything was better than nothing. OSHA not only retracted their recommendation, they specifically recommended against it.

Using numbers without factoring in human behavior is a fool's game.

I hear the specific how-to to make lift belts most effective is to do exercises to strengthen the entire core. At least, quite a routine of planking both prone and supine -- grow abs.

Really good point.

From what I have read there really is not a medical consensus on whether large scale mask wearing in public would help against the spread of Covid-19. Its not a simple question. There is the potential for it to prove counter productive and end up increasing the wearer's chance of contracting it, even as it is reducing their likelihood of transmitting it.

And there are clear dangers in insisting everybody does so if it puts pressure on supplies for those we know for sure need them, like front line medical staff.

I don't see how a mask would increase your risk unless the mask picks up the virus and you mishandle it when you take it off at home. But then if the virus is on the mask you probably would have inhaled it without the mask anyway. I'm subscribing to the "can't hurt" school.

I didn't miss it, I don't buy it. First of all he's taking about bandannas and cloth, not masks. But the droplets landing and evaporating so the virus will be sucked through is so far fetched it's ridiculous. I'd bet the odds of getting hit by lightning, hitting the lottery, and winning Publisher's clearinghouse all on the same day are better than that happening. If you are getting hit with droplets you're in a cloud of airborne virus also. Yes it can.

But the point is a mask may help, but won't hurt, and will prevent you from being shot or stoned by a mob.

Uh huh, uh huh, of course, of course.

Unless they shoot you to steal your mask.

Lie down on the couch and tell us about your childhood. Did you have a security blanket that you pulled up over your mouth and nose when you took a nap?

No I didn't but it wouldn't hurt, neither will a mask. I hate 'em, even the dust masks make breathing difficult, also because I have no clue what people are saying behind 'em. There's also the fact that if I contract this I'm dead.

I thought the idea of masks or scarves was that, unless they are the whatevr they call the proper masks that filter out the finer particles, the main reason for wearing one isnt to protect the wearer but to reduce the chances the wearer might inadvertently spread the virus if they happen to be presymptomatic or asymptomatic.

I wear them when I rob people.

He simply forgets that a person with N95 mask, worn improperly, is still much better protected than someone wearing a bandanna improperly. Even if worn incorrectly, a superior mask remains superior protection.

It is hard to not wear a mask improperly. It covers a mouth and nose. It fits on a face. Who, other than a 4 years old, cannot figure that out?

Exactly. We do social distancing, masks, etc to protect the most 'at risk' people - the medical industry. They will die if too many are infected at any one time.

Eventually 60% to 70% of us must be infected to end this. If that takes many more months, then less doctors and nurses will die.

Currently somewhere between 5% and 15% of us have been infected. In NYC, that number may be 35%. Techniques (such as masks or bandanna) only reduce a number of infected people at any one time.

We wear masks to not infect others. It does much less to protect ourselves.

This is true, but in both cases it's better than not.

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The politics of a health crisis....

Trump claims he has the authority to block Fauci from testifying in front of a House committee but has no objection to Fauci's testimony in front of a Senate committee.

His reasoning on this seems clear, to avoid having people he considers his political opponents ask questions of a knowledgeable witness to the government's actions in relation to the pandemic.

The explanation actually given for the double standard is transparently fallacious, that it would be "counter-productive" for Fauci to testify.

Nawwww, his reasoning is that THE HOUSE CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH (but the Senate can).

See, a simple explanation. Obviously the House needs four more years of Trump to toughen them up.

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (CBS12) — As Florida starts to reopen, the architect and manager of Florida's COVID-19 dashboard, announced she'd been removed from her position, Florida Today reported.

Rebekah Jones said in an email to CBS12 News that her removal was "not voluntary" and that she was removed from her position because she was ordered to censor some data, but refused to "manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen."

Jones made the announcement May 5 in a farewell email to researchers and other members of the public who had signed up to receive updates on the data portal, according to Florida Today. She said that for "reasons beyond my division's control," her office is no longer managing the dashboard, involved in its publication, fixing errors or answering any questions.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/woman-w...EfUaL-AH7ThHVU

This is all normal.

So we've been told.

This is /our/ President, and leaders of other countries around the world.




See if you can spot the difference.

Yeah.

It's not a good look.

Our chief Womble is a little less embarrassing, but it's a close call.

A raw look at my state government;

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

Just after I watched this I saw a picture my state rep at a meeting actually voting for what's might be a good piece of health legislation, the only one with her mask off.

Should be Attempted Murder, same as the charge in HIV-transmission cases.