What about people arrested only because they had a video camera? A friend just told me his story of their trip to NYC. They were video tapping interesting cars, and just having fun. When they went through the Lincoln Tunnel, they were arrested by the NYPD. Because one had once heard a name (a name that was on a watch list- a name he had once heard on TV news), then they were all held for most of that day.

One of their tasks was to visit the Egyptian Embassy. They ended up only seeing the Lincoln Tunnel and an NYPD stationhouse. Their entire trip to NYC - and their one day off - was wasted only because they looked Arab and had been using a video camera.

The NYPD cop did apologize and even gave each his card so that they could call for help when it happened again.

How many immigrants are your friends. Too many of mine are being detained for nothing. After a program that required 80,000 immigrants to 'come in for a voluntary talk', not one terrorist was discovered. At what point do we acknowledge that FBI agents, when empowered to do their jobs pre-9/11, were more than sufficient to make America safe.

The system worked when a president read his memos - and gave federal employees warnings as to what to look for. The system worked when terrorist investigators such as John O'Neill were not driven from law enforcement for simply demanding facts; because the George Jr administration did not like his aggressive terrorist investigations. People like O'Neill were more than sufficient so many times to discover terrorist bombs all over the world. O'Neill even had the names of what would become 9/11 attackers.

Richard Clarke was this nation's #1 anti-terrorist in the White House. Even he was demoted by a president who could not bother to read blunt warnings about real world terrorists.

A new president never reads his memos - says that terrorism is not a major problem. He never puts out the warning in the 6 Aug Presidential Daily Briefing- even demotes his counter terrorism group from principle level. So instead we must now detain everyone who looks like a terrorist (also called racism)? What does a terrorist look like? Can you just look at evil and recognize it? When do we fix the real problem? When do we get a presidient who reads memos and makes his own decisions? Therein lies the problem.

Here's a story related to me by a man when I was out canvassing for the Democrats. This man has some friends who have a son who has a brain injury. The kid has dark hair and a swarthy complexion. The boy got work through Goodwill Industries. His job required him to drive on base to Fort Carson several times a week to pick up donations made by military families. Every single time this boy tried to drive on post, he was delayed, sometimes detained by the MP's at the gate. This went on for 6 months with the SAME MP's who knew who the boy was. After 6 months of this harassment, the kid quit his job with Goodwill. So far he has not been able to find another employer.

Now, same military base, same time period. I have a friend who is blond with blue eyes. He got a job delivering phone books to Fort Carson. He had to drive on base every day for about 3 weeks. The first day he went on base he went through the standard delays and questioning. Every single trip he made after that first one he was just waved on through because the guards knew him.

So what's THAT about? :mad:

Based on all your information I conclude that the problem is not that bad. Thanks correspondents!

BTW if you want to see how other countries act in comparison -

http://www.wolfpac.com/uk.htm

Consider that this act are not theoretical terrorists, just art that some people don't like. If they were terrorists they could probably enter the country just fine.

They welcome those that giveth and not those that taketh away. :)

UT, you're sticking your head in the sand.

I just want to know how paranoid to be. Keep me updated when the WoT has imprisoned as many as the WoDrugs.

It occurred to me today that the way the polls are going today, Bush will take the popular vote by like 2% and Kerry will take the Electoral College after a legal fight over Ohio. If that happens, hope both sides have their irony suits on.

Nov 3

Kerry wins by 10 points.

I hang out in seclusion under arrest until he takes office. The CIA guys stop kicking my ass every day and electrocuting my genitals. Lyndie England stops pointing at my dick in photos with various CIA agents laughing in the background.

Life is getting better.

Kerry takes office and puts me back in office instead of on trial. The US troops stay in Iraq under my command. They train "my people", through pressure from the UN, to use the equipment they were so kind to bring with them.

I now have a world class army.

Kerry and the UN send the US troops home. They are so happy and spiteful, righteous that they dont even notice I move in on all adjoining countries with my new toys.

I have my "boys" retrieve Lyndie, chainsaw fuck her, lop her head off. Ten video cams are rolling the whole time. I put her head in a bowl of formaldihyde with a leash around the neck portion of the severed head. the sealed bowl sits on the main table when and where my meetings are held.

Ahh, revenge is sweet.

Next, I corner the market of oil in the middle east,militarily controlling all oil fields and ports.

The US pays $8 a gallon for gasoline, and the people curse the Bushes (even more).

Bush and co then release hi-tech renewable energy technology for use in all petro applications. The new technology is released, controlled and distibuted by the exsiting oil companies.

Other countries that are major oil consumers, adopt the new tech, the price of oil falls back to $5 a barrel

Once again, I have no power or influence and now people have no reason to tolerate my murderous brutal ways.

Kerry and UN send inspectors into Iraq and Blix reveals the massive violations that had been there since 98 but now no one has any reason to help me.

Even Chiraq tell me on the phone "Yer fucked this time bud, nothing I can do"

Kerry makes the case to Nuke Baghdad unilaterally, the people buy it because he debates well and has great hair.

This is how I think the map will look on the 2nd:

http://sycamoreland.com/images/electionmap.gif

Bush wins and the SUV replaces the bald eagle as the national emblem. It becomes mandatory to join the National Guard. Those who do and refuse to appear for their physicals are given bronze stars. New Mexico seccedes from the Union and Bush claims this as a victory against illegal immigrants who had persisted in coming over the New Mexico border to Colorado and Arizona. Life goes on.

Kerry wins and gets rid of the pesky state of Florida by handing it over to Cuba. Cuba attempts to give it back. The people of Florida take a vote on the matter and elect George Jr. as dictator for life. Some black Floridians complain about this and are sent to Gitmo Bay. Life goes on.

Wow, that's *good*. Nice work Mari

:D All very funny,but are you forgetting that it's Kerry proposing mandatory service? :thumbsdn: OK lemme go find the proof. (the proof I had got left at a resteraunt)

Bush proposed mandatory service dears ago: ;)OK, not mandatory. I just like the quote.

Ever wonder if Bush isn't on Thorazine or something when you read his quotes like the one above? :eyebrow: