Ok warch, name me a program that only whites can apply to.

A white only scholarship, a white only award, anything alone those lines.

Wow, you totally missed it...oh well. No, I haven't been to Germany, therefore I don't know that culture and that area, just as much as you don't know anything about Cherry Hill or you wouldn't have mentioned anything about gays or looking at someone funny. That's NOT what that neighborhood was about. It was about being black, and not being on the "wrong" side of the street or else you'd get your head bashed in.

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Turned down for a promotion based on race? Oh you poor soul. Well I can say that the white man knows how that feels just as well as the black man these days.
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Hrm...and NOW they have a problem with it NOW that the shoe is on the other foot...amazing...all these years they had been silent, because...their way of life was secure. They didn't have to worry about their job, getting loans, scholarships, housing, and so on. Veddy Interesting...


*snickers* Not really. You can fire the black man all you goddamned want to, it's just that the employer doesn't want the lawsuit (and whites can sue just as much as any black person if they feel like they have been discriminated against for ANY reason).


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Did I mention the scholarship/college admission thing?
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People who share your argument constantly do.



Because it's the only arguement that you seem to have regarding racism against whites. Plus, don't get mad just because the answer isn't what you want to hear.

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Well it works for jobs too. Cut that racims bullshit out, it goes both ways. Just as many blacks keep their jobs no matter how shitty they do them and get promoted because the managment is scared shitless that they'll scream "Racism!!!" if they fire or fail to promote the lazy ass.
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Again, first hand accounts beats opinion anyday. How many whites do you know that have filed suits against blacks for work discrimination and have won?


Your assumption, not mine.

Please...with this modern society sueing each other left and right? SOMEbody's going to give that white person a chance to be heard in court someday and you know this.

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Been called a nigger? Awww. Well it saddening that there is one additional insult people can use on you instead of the more typical, cunt, bitch, slut, whore, but hey at least they can't call you white trash.
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LOL, you're right about that, but however those other insults have no effect on me whatsoever. Actually, bitch seems...almost empowering.



Ooo, It must have felt soooo good to call me that. :rolleyes:

But seriously, blacks not saying "niggah" to each other will NOT stop whites (or others) from calling a black person a nigger, and to believe otherwise is a foolish notion indeed.


We're talking context here, but again, you knew this.

And thanks for allowing me to see what I'm working with..that helps a lot.


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The racism that goes on is NOTHING along the scales of the discrimination against the gay community and I see nothing along the lines of Scholarships for Fags or the Society of Gay Engineers.
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{sings}"I see your truuuue colors shinin' through...."




Careful: you're paranoia is showing. :haha:

[quote]Originally posted by russotto
quote:Originally posted by ladysycamore
Nobody is debating honest work. But do you REALLY believe that the playing field is 100% equal?

And the playing field has ALWAYS been slanted toward whites, so if it is slanted now towards "minorites", why is it such a problem now? I know the answer to that, but I'm curious as to what your answer might be.

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conversations about race/cultures, etc. It's not about being a victim...truth is spoken when "minorities" talk about hitting the "glass ceiling" on the job because of race or gender, it's not a "myth" when "minorities" get turned down for bank loans and their credit is just as good as their white counterparts, and so on.



Say what? If I get turned down for a loan, somebody white will too??? LMAO, okaaayyyy.....

Oh there's plenty of hope for me...that's not up to YOU to decide anyway, so don't worry about it.

The keyword being "was". Thank you for proving my point.

Thats bullshit and you know that. Whites can't sue that they got fired and a black man took their job in order to fill quatas.

No it's the only argument you have somewhat accepted. You ignore all the job realted arguments.


You know that they won't. The black 'minority' is so strong that they'd never let he case be heard. Remember when Street was accused of corruption? What was the excuse? Racists FBI! Nope sorry. There is NO such thing as racism agaisnt whites in the US. According to current politics only blacks are affected by racism.

Nah Ignorant Stubborn Bitch would have felt better.

You still haven't explained why it's so offensive or such a big deal or why it's ok for blacks to use it and not ok for whites.

Define context. I've heard it used by blacks in both ways.

Is it parania? Why are you changing the subject. Did you not imply that I was gay? Did you not imply it in such a way as to say that it was something I was trying to hide or should have been ashamed off?

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Originally posted by russotto
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Nobody is debating honest work. But do you REALLY believe that the playing field is 100% equal?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Because for 8 years, that school had NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER acknowledging black students doing well. And let's face it: this school is in OMAHA, Nebraska, with only 56 black students in it (out of over 1600). You honestly think that if they decide to make an award for all students, that there isn't a chance that a black student would not be overlooked (and some lame ass excuse used for WHY they were overlooked)?

There have always been such things, they just don't CALL it that.

WTF is this shit? Assumptionmatic? Are you MsCleo all of a sudden? You can see all the alternate realities?

I dare say that if the kid had a 4.00 GPA, he'd not be overlooked. Black kids were not overlooked in the schools I went to.

If you said "The kid was overlooked." I'd say yeah...that sucks. We'll have to fix that.

But thats not the case.

By the way, having a black only prize implies that they're inferior to whites and need thier own special little award. Frankly, if I was black, I'd hate that and find it offensive. I don't get "special" grades on my English papers due to it being my 3rd language or because I'm Russian. If I did, I'd be pissed.

Oh and here's the other group who have their own special awards: http://www.funfreepages.com/prize/

Academic Achievment awards are always given out based on just that. They were in Australia, and they were in the highschool that I went to (Radnor HS), and get this, we had 2 awards go to black kids without any special rule existing. They were just damn smart and worked their asses off. Oh yeah and I was fairly good friends with one of them...he helped me out on a few tests..

And they are?

Golf Clubs? Come on...

Damn, FelinesAreFine, I see more than you realize, trust me.

There was/is no need for people who are Caucasian, because they've already been taken care of, if you will. Remember: these programs were put into place why? Because Caucasians thought it would be a good idea to keep "minorities" and women from what they had a right to pursue: jobs, homes, cars, money, schooling, opportunities.

I have every right to express my POV just as you do or anyone else. Never did I threaten/demand/ask/ anyone to subscribe to my POV. Everyone is entitled to what they feel. *shrugs*

My "cause"...LMAO, how quaint.

Another true color moment...brilliant. Thanks. :D

Awright.

Its standard operating procedure for colleges to give preferential enrollment consideration, favoritism if you will, active recruitment, scholarship opportunities to "Legacies" If mom or dad is an allumi, you get the tip. The vast majority of these, for over 100 + years have been lily white. Tilt.

and another example: My mother, through her ladies circle in a small Illinois town, sits on a society committee that give scholarships to students from that social group/ her community. All recipients are lily white and have been for 100+ years. Tilt.

White churches, Kwanis, Knights of Columbus, social orders and organizations, established over a great many years in, ecomonically rooted and based on our history of white patrimony and dedicated to the education and advancement of young people from their communities give thousand of scholarships each year. The vast, vast majority are white. Tilt.

Now you are begrudging the scholarships and "special treatment" doled out at Drexel. Well, I would argue that the investment in the education of those students of color,even if some or several drop out and fail, those that succeed not only enrich your experience, at least broaden it, but they will serve to help establish the community-bases, the legacies needed to offer truly equal educational opportunites. And maybe, eventually your the claim of no favors for the white will ring true. But not today.

No, thank you for proving mine...again, you've never been there so you don't know HOW it is now, however I do.

*snickers* Not really. You can fire the black man all you goddamned want to, it's just that the employer doesn't want the lawsuit (and whites can sue just as much as any black person if they feel like they have been discriminated against for ANY reason).


The fuck they can't! ANYONE can file a lawsuit for just about ANY reason. If they feel they got a case (and especially if they have proof!), you better believe they'll file that suit, in a goddamned heartbeat.


Because it's the only arguement that you seem to have regarding racism against whites. Plus, don't get mad just because the answer isn't what you want to hear.


If that is what you want to believe...*shrugs*

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When people say "racism" they assume whites discriminating blacks. Anyone trying to use racism to describe the inverse will get kicked out of court becasue of affirmative action etc.
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Please...with this modern society sueing each other left and right? SOMEbody's going to give that white person a chance to be heard in court someday and you know this.


Wow, you based that on ONE INCIDENT???? Sheesh....

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Alright bitch, so what's so bad about nigger? If the black community wants 'nigger' to go away, I suggest they stop using it first.
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Ooo, It must have felt soooo good to call me that.

But seriously, blacks not saying "niggah" to each other will NOT stop whites (or others) from calling a black person a nigger, and to believe otherwise is a foolish notion indeed.



Whoa, you're battin' a thousand today on those "moments" that I spoke of earlier...

Ok, here's the explaination (which will probably not be "good enough" for you anyway, but you asked, so...)

It's all about context. Historically, when it's been said by whites to blacks, it was done in a way that was evil, nasty, derogatory and insulting...the tone, facial expression and hate behind it was evident. When blacks started using it towards each other in the context of "what up niggah", it's not said in hate. Either that's "right" or "wrong" it's not up to whites to tell blacks to not use it anymore and say "Well, if you guys say it, then we can say it"...it's just not a good idea quite frankly. You weren't here in the States when "Honky" was the word of choice to call "whitey" (back in the seventies). However, if whites called each other that in endearment, you didn't hear blacks crying, "Well, if THEY can use it towards each other, then we can say it to them toooooo". Know why? Because Blacks didn't give a shit about that! (at least THIS black person doesn't). I don't give a fuck WHAT white people call themselves because there are other things that I need to concern myself with.


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{sings}"I see your truuuue colors shinin' through...."

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Oh I'm gay now? Great. Very mature. And what if I was? Yes? Is that bad? No? Why do you poke fun at it then? Go ahead..tell me. Do you discriminate against gay people?
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Careful: you're paranoia is showing.



"Parania"? :confused:

Nope. I implied that you were having a "true color moment", which you seem to have many of. Thanks though...it makes things MUCH more clearer.

Erm...nooooo. It...really has no bearing on this conversation whatsoever, so calm down.

This is so pointless..I'm going to go and jerk off with some alcohol and salt soaked sand paper. It's a lot less painful that this.

From 1993-1995 I worked for Clemens Markets, a family-owned chain of grocery stores. At the time they had a workplace of about 1600 people in 14 grocery stores. The entire organization was run out of a central office where the executives worked. There were about 75 people in the central office. There was not one single non-white in the central office.

There were minorities in the stores, but none as store managers and I don't think I remember a single one as department manager either.

There are some reasonable explanations for this, but the real reason is that they were primarily a bunch of morons and Mennonites who just couldn't deal with it.

Later I learned that the one woman on the executive board had been routinely sexually harrassed 20 years earlier. Although it wasn't clear from the story whether it was partly her idea.

Of course, I'm stereotyping all Mennonites with my comments. I'm disrespecting their minority viewpoint and their culture...

Hrm ok.

Let's say things at the workplace became equal. What would you say contributed to this sudden change of events?