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No, I'm not saying it's GOING in that direction, I am saying that smokers and obese individuals have paid more in insurance costs, already.
From 2006: Higher Insurance Rates If you are/were not a smoker, you may not even have noticed, but all the questionaires you fill out when you purchase insurance ask if you smoke, or have smoked, in X# years. And then, how much you smoke. And drink, and BMI, etc. If you check yes to these, your rates are higher than if you say no. It has been this way for years. (I get to answer NO to all of them, finally!) |
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(The disincentive in Ontario ERs is that in an urban center you'll typically wait 12+ hours or more to be seen. That's good for filtering out those who ought to go to an Urgent Care; not so good for those who are urgently/emergently sick. But I digress.) |
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I had a boss years ago that just that same strategy (but he used the most up to date references available) |
It's not more expensive (to you) if your copay is $3 and you refuse to pay it, and your premiums don't go up no matter how much you use the ER, and there's no limit on the number of ER visits you can make. You still have to be seen. But you're right, people with private insurance and hefty ER co-pays already get penalized for frivolous ER use.
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Part of Obamacare is to get more people on private insurance.
If you don't have insurance, and you don't have money, your options may be a $1200 ER visit you can't afford, or a $300 doctor visit you can't afford. You can't afford either, so you might as well go to the one that is set up to accept walk-ins. If you have insurance, a new option is added - a doctor visit with a $20 copay. Not everyone will take advantage of it. The people you'd rather not get into, perhaps. But many will. Once the hurdle (sometimes mental as much as financial) of getting enrolled is overcome, it's much easier to do it. |
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Same goes with meds. generic vs name brand where available. Total aside, I did read an article about some doctors group advocating that birth control should be available over the counter. THAT makes a lot of sense & removes the whole religious "whatever" from that situation. Seems like a win-win idea to me. |
ER copay is usually more, and on top of the actual ER cost, instead of in lieu of it.
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I'm aware of that HM. With a son like mine the ER staff are not strangers, not by a long shot. Did you get the point I was making though?
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alls I know is that my rent went down 22 dollars about 2 weeks before he got reelected
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Another part of Obamacare is expanding eligibility for MA. This sounds like a good thing on the surface; however, it will be a serious problem for hospitals. At the moment they can write off non-payment from self-pay patients. If the percent of MA patients they see goes up substantially they will get the MA rates (which are less than overhead for both private practices and hospitals), no copays even at $3, no writeoffs, and they'll go bankrupt. Especially when there are no limits to the number of ER visits on MA - there are individuals, and not just a few, who have 200 ER visits/year in smalltown. Please understand, this isn't a rant at self-pay or MA patients. One of my sons is on MA and I see the system from his perspective as well as from that of a provider. But people don't always behave as you'd expect, and there are always unexpected results from programs that seem beneficial at first glance. |
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This group will have no choice but to get health insurance once obamacare is completely implemented. And that's good for the system as a whole. At first, if they don't get health care, they will look at the penalties and do the math and see that the penalty is the better deal, but the penalties get more and more severe as obamacare is phased in. And when it is fully implemented in 2018, the healthy 20 somethings will have to decide whether they want to pay an arm and a leg for nothing or an arm and a leg for healthcare. And the policies offered at the exchanges will be subsidized based on need. |
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