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ZenGum 10-13-2011 11:01 PM

I'm not a citizen either.

I don't think that alone should remove the requirement for due process.

If your prez thinks I'm a terrorist, there has to be some kind of trial, even in my absence, where an attorney or someone can argue my case on my behalf.

TheMercenary 10-14-2011 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 762809)
smh

All was trying to say is that we have to have action! The system is completely broken and we are only driving faster toward the cliff. {even though I agree with some of it}... So far we have nothing.

classicman 10-14-2011 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 763590)
Anwar al-Awlaki was not a citizen. He had publicly stated his intention to relinquish his citizenship, and entered "foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States".
His movements leave no doubt in my mind he knew full well we would take him out at the first opportunity. Probably because he lived in the real world, unsullied with high faulting delusions.

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Section 349(a)(3) of the Immigration and Nationality Act [8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(3)] which provides for loss of U.S. nationality if an American voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship enters or serves in foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States or serves in the armed forces of any foreign country as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer.

Perhaps the issue is that it's not really a foreign country... ?

xoxoxoBruce 10-15-2011 09:27 AM

It says foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States, or armed forces of any foreign country...

Lamplighter 10-15-2011 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 763590)
Anwar al-Awlaki was not a citizen. He had publicly stated his intention to relinquish his citizenship,
and entered "foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States".
His movements leave no doubt in my mind he knew full well we would take him out
at the first opportunity.
Probably because he lived in the real world, unsullied with high faulting delusions.

Maybe he did realize he was at risk, but nevertheless I've not seen anything
to show that he met the requirements of renouncing US citizenship.

Sullied or not, stating an "intention to relinquish" is like pledging in a fund-raiser,
it only matters when the check is cashed.

classicman 10-15-2011 10:36 AM

I think Bruce is saying that he "cashed the check" when he joined "foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States"

Lamplighter 10-15-2011 10:41 AM

That's why the US has Courts...
Killing first and asking questions afterward has serious consequences.

TheMercenary 10-15-2011 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 764016)
Maybe he did realize he was at risk...

Oh Good GOD! you have always seemed to me to be more intelligent than this statement makes you sound.

classicman 10-16-2011 12:23 AM

They apparently got his son today in another strike ...

Lamplighter 10-16-2011 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 764130)
They apparently got his son today in another strike ...

Maybe I saw the article you're referring to here.
I had to read it several times to sort out the business about the "son".

But I came to the conclusion that part was just reporting the Sept events,
and the "son" was Anwar al-Awlaki and it was his death they were describing.

There was also a description of drone attacks on the building where the two men,
Awlaki and Khan had been for a meeting, and the the drone attack on two cars.

But I have to say I did have trouble understanding the wording in this article.

classicman 10-16-2011 11:37 AM

no no no...
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SANAA, Yemen (AP) – The United States has raised the tempo in its war against al-Qaeda in Yemen, killing nine of the terror group's militants in the second, high-profile airstrike in as many weeks. The dead in the late Friday night strike included the son of Anwar al-Awlaki, the prominent American-Yemeni militant killed in a Sept. 30 strike.
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Tribal elders in the area where Friday's strikes took place said the dead included Abdul-Rahman al-Awlaki, the 21-year-old son of Anwar al-Awlaki, a Muslim preacher and savvy Internet operator who became a powerful al-Qaeda recruiting tool in the West and who was on a U.S. capture-or-kill list. The elder al-Awlaki and another propagandist, Pakistani-American Samir Khan, were killed in the Sept. 30 strike.
Pretty good article here

Lamplighter 10-16-2011 11:58 AM

OK, you got it right...

ETA: I read the article in your link.
It is much more explicit and clear.
Good choice...

Isn't that now 3 American citizens killed by US drone attacks.

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Tribal elders in the area where Friday's strikes took place said the dead included
Abdul-Rahman al-Awlaki, the 21-year-old son of Anwar al-Awlaki,
a Muslim preacher and savvy Internet operator who became a powerful al-Qaeda
recruiting tool in the West and who was on a U.S. capture-or-kill list.
The elder al-Awlaki and anotherpropagandist, Pakistani-American Samir Khan,
were killed in the Sept. 30 strike.

classicman 10-16-2011 12:29 PM

Yes, and the media would rather focus on Cain "the pain" instead of this.
interesting?

TheMercenary 10-19-2011 03:04 PM

Good rid-en's to all of them.

glatt 10-21-2011 11:53 AM

I had no problem with killing this guy, or the 21 year old son following in his footsteps.

But now I'm seeing that the 21 year old son was actually only 16 years old.

WTF? We're now killing American citizen children? Sure, odds are that this kid would grow up to be a terrorist since we killed his dad. Just ask Inigo Montoya about that.

But we killed the evil dad, and then two weeks later remotely killed the child and a bunch of others enjoying a BBQ. What was this kid's crime? Did he renounce his citizenship too? I have a hard time believing he had committed the same crimes as his father.

Edit: Alright. I see that Ibrahim al-Banna was also killed in that strike on the son, and he was considered by the Defense Ministry in Yemen to be one of the “most dangerous operatives” in al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Maybe the boy was collateral damage.


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