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Pie 06-04-2010 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinx (Post 660523)
If you're ok with lying it must mean you're ok with being lied to.
Does that mean you trust everyone, or trust no one?

I assume I'm always being lied to. I haven't been disappointed yet.

To put it in less stark terms, I assume I have no insight into other's real POV, motivations or standards. I (usually) will play along at whatever game they portray at any given moment.

I lost my trust when CP violation was proved.

HungLikeJesus 06-04-2010 01:35 PM

If I believe that the person I'm talking to assumes they are being lied to, then I must lie to them so that they will not know the truth. All the negatives cancel out.

Shawnee123 06-04-2010 04:04 PM

I just worry so much about my pants being on fire!

HungLikeJesus 06-04-2010 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 660560)
If I believe that the person I'm talking to assumes they are being lied to, then I must lie to them so that they will not know the truth. All the negatives cancel out.

Whoops! That should have been "If I believe that the person I'm talking to assumes they are being lied to, then I must lie to them so that they will know the truth."

jinx 06-04-2010 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pie (Post 660543)
I assume I'm always being lied to. I haven't been disappointed yet.

To put it in less stark terms, I assume I have no insight into other's real POV, motivations or standards. I (usually) will play along at whatever game they portray at any given moment.

I lost my trust when CP violation was proved.

CP violation?

In general I trust people unless I'm given reason not too. I've been disappointed many times, but it's not even a conscious thing... It occurs to me that people are often incorrect, but I'm continuously surprised that they lie.

I'm talking about real lies here, not what you say to annoying cow orkers fishing for compliments about their retarded new haircut - I agree with you on that front. I mean unsolicited deception.

casimendocina 06-05-2010 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 660422)

If you're at someone's house for dinner, and the food is shit, just find a time to thank them for inviting you over, or don't say anything. A chef who actually asks "What did you think of the meal?" is being a dick in their own right, putting the guest on the spot for an expected lie, and deserves what they get.

I take inspiration from the blue soup scene in Bridget Jones's Diary for this kind of situation.

Shawnee123 06-05-2010 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinx (Post 660619)
CP violation?

In general I trust people unless I'm given reason not too. I've been disappointed many times, but it's not even a conscious thing... It occurs to me that people are often incorrect, but I'm continuously surprised that they lie.

I'm talking about real lies here, not what you say to annoying cow orkers fishing for compliments about their retarded new haircut - I agree with you on that front. I mean unsolicited deception.

That's a great way to put it: unsolicited deception. It feels almost like a diss to me, like they're saying "yes, you can't handle the truth." Well, I betcha I can. Otherwise, shut it!

I tend to warily trust people until they give me a reason not to, as well. I have known some skilled liars. The first inlking of deception, then, throws me into DEFCON 1 and it's unlikely I'll ever really trust that person again...even if it was a moment of weakness or apprehension on their part. Because I am naively honest, I don't understand why lies have to enter into it at all.

It's OK to be a private person, to not regurgitate every thought, to not put oneself completely 'out there' but whatever comes out should be truthful...or everything else becomes suspect.

skysidhe 06-05-2010 01:07 PM

I like people who can be straight up.
Straight up can be respectful,humorous, teasing but with no alterior motive, passive aggressive baggage kind of way.


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