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I'd like something - ANYTHING - over "Its true because I said so."
And then when challenged to ignore repeated requests by multiple posters. That doesn't work.

But that is not what you said. You said that you have no knowledge but will accuse anyway.

If you have doubts, then post facts that justify those doubts. You never post any justification for your doubts. It is how you attack others rather than contribute to the discussion.

Meanwhile, what was posted comes repeatedly from many sources who were there - such as Collin Powell. Those who could not bother to read what they said can learn what happened as demonstrated in the movie "W." Posted was what anyone should have or could have read. What Powel, O'Neill, and so many others who were there have said. Said and published.

Moving on from what is known: More interesting is how decisions were being made during those last three months. The process seems to have completely broken down. Senior staff (ie Paulson and Bernanke) were making decisions independently without any curiosity or coordination from the rest of that administration. Even the Annapolis Conference completely vaporized with virtually no consideration or analysis. It was as if the entire administration had no guidance. Any effort to define objectives or 'tow the line' appears to have completely disappeared - except when George Jr stepped in to change a decision (ie the second TARP request).

George Jr apparently had only one objective - to make a smooth transition with Obama. Curious is how and why decision making in the last three months completely broke down.

That is exactly what I said.
Total and complete FAIL

The problem is that tw posts his opinions worded to read as facts, then when asked to back the post up with some substance or supporting evidence tw ignores the repeated requests.

I'm curious.... does anyone think this is stating the obvious? Does anyone disagree with this statement?

It goes without saying...

Beest, not having a personal immunity to conspiracist thinking is a very bad thing. Makes you say silly things. And misspell wield. When you're trying to figure out politics, in my experience there's no place for misplaced, overdone romanticism, which is what conspiracy theory is.

When it becomes history, that we have lived through, it's no longer not a conspiracy theory. :eyebrow:

I think Beest is correct. Bush is a puppet. No, wait, was. Bush was a puppet. :D

Every job he's ever had was a puppet for other people(money) that needed a public face.

What's ironic is the same twisting occurs by the poster of the "given" statement. This twisting usually ends with a "who ME" innocent ploy.

It's really a horrible dance to watch. I mean seriously, I'd rather go back to doing The Hustle or The Bump.

The question asked in jest is actually a serious question of what happened during those last three months. Curious is a pardon for Libby - Cheney's #1 man. Why did Libby not get pardoned? Did George Jr decide to take a swipe at Cheney? Or did Libby get something not often known about - a secret pardon?

Was George Jr still taking orders from Cheney in the last days? A question asked seriously about an administration that appeared to slowly break down during its last three months.

So... are you saying Cheney was a lame-duck vice-president, and because he was on the way out Bush could muck around?

I think it broke a long time before that.

Yup, broke.

Ladies and Gentlemen, not long ago Shawnee tried to twit me about not being enough of an individual -- as if she knew anything about it, what with her never rejecting leftist herd-think as far as I know.

Well, dearie, I'm individual enough not to subscribe to the sort of hogwash I'm seeing in posts 67-73. It is the mere clatter of the not-so-democratic-nor-antitotalitarian, and you know what I think of that. Number 74 is just good all-American fun.