It would never work. I don't want some bloody ass drug head with well trained troops in a highly dynamic combat environment that will not follow orders. And you just pass the problem of these people to the Military. The addiction is to strong.

Death rates alone do not tell the story.
That would be an incorrect assumption.

Your assumption is that drug users seekers are rational people who can control their urges and desires. Another false assumption.

There are whole textbooks written on the subject. The effects of LSD drug abuse are highly documented.

The studies are very well documented as are the deaths and effects of long term use of MDMA. This is not a new thing here guys. You talk like this is some new fangled thing that people are just playing with on the side. And granted there may be people like that. IMHO the the health risks well out weigh any minor benifit of getting you jollies for a night of bliss.


Correct, same negative effects.

Less stupid? An individual is certainly in much less control under the influence of shrooms or LSD, alcohol is at least something that you can graduate.


Completely and utterly incorrect. That option went out in the 70's.

Cannon fodder, sweetie. Clearing landmines the easy way. They don't need to follow orders, just drop 'em off and leave 'em to it! ;)

I'm sure there are plenty, since LSD is probably the most heavily documented drug of all.

But I'm not basing that statement on studies--I'm basing it on personal knowledge from contact with people who have overdone this particular drug.

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"LSD is not considered an addictive drug since it does not produce compulsive drug-seeking behavior as do cocaine, amphetamine, heroin, alcohol, and nicotine."
http://www.drug-addiction.com/what_is_lsd.htm

"I must emphasize that there is no danger of death or injury from overdose of LSD, which must have about the highest therapeutic index of any drug known (the ratio of fatal dose to effective dose is unknown since no human being has ever died from an overdose of LSD, but must be very high, as individuals have mistakenly ingested hundreds of doses at a sitting; this is a way of saying that the drug is not at all toxic)."
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_dose.shtml

When did I ever make an absolute statement? There are rational and irrational drug users, what makes this issue any different than alcohol?

From the many friends that I've known that has taken acid and shrooms, no one has done anything really stupid, though none of them took large doses and most of them are in fairly good control when under the influence of other drugs as well.

Researchers might say LSD is not addictive, but I disagree. You may not have 'withdrawal symptoms' when you decide to stop taking it, but it is definitely a drug that's hard to refuse once you've had a 'good trip'. What I mean of course is that it's a drug that's habit forming even if it's not addictive. Similar to marijuana for example although I think LSD is more harmful because for one thing, it's a chemical and you really never know what you're going to get. For another, some people make some very very very bad decisions when they're on a trip.

I almost killed myself twice while shrooming. Once chasing a frisbee off a cliff at the Sleeping Giant Mountain and another time doing something VERY STUPID at a concert. It involved lots of electricity and my body as a conductor. The fatality rate is not just from the drug itself, but also what one's perception of while "intoxicated."

So it's as addictive as bacon?

Well you know, once you have one rasher, it's hard to stop. ;)

mmmmm...

Much worse. Although I do have a mild bacon addition, only if very crispy.;)

When I'm very crispy, I'll eat just about anything. :lol:

Nice editorial piece on this

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,...719872,00.html

"What the drugs themselves have not destroyed, the warfare against them has. And what once began, perhaps, as a battle against dangerous substances long ago transformed itself into a venal war on our underclass. Since declaring war on drugs nearly 40 years ago, we've been demonizing our most desperate citizens, isolating and incarcerating them and otherwise denying them a role in the American collective. All to no purpose. "

The author sounds like he is looking for sympathy for poor choices people make of their own free will. I have little of it. At least in this opening sentance he admits that drug use destroys the life of the user and that the substances are dangerous. Statements like, "a venal war on our underclass" and "demonizing our most desperate citizens" only try to garner sympathy for losers who choose to throw their lives away, steal, lie, cheat, in some cases injur and murder others, and kill themselves slowly through drug use. Poor fellas.

The point is, the war on drugs has not changed this one iota. It's still happening despite the distraction of the police away from what they should be doing.