Yes.

And I just can't trust the opinion of teens with the worldly experience of zero years as an adult having never experienced any degree of adult responsibility. Sorry about that.

double post, sorry.

Good judgement can come from age and common sense. You are only seeing the kids without the second Merc. You would be suprised how mature most teens can actually be, you are just not hearing about them.

I am sure they are out there. Just not in any large numbers.

Yes. Around here, anyone that was at a party where the authorities are convinced there was booze or drugs, would be barred from all extra curricular activities at school, with no proof they had anything to do with either. Draconian is putting it mildly.

And are those draconian rules helping the situation at all do you think?

I'd guess they just make kids even more resentful and rebellious.

Hell no, it makes them resentful and more secretive with their parents. It's unfair bullshit that will bite the rule makers in the ass because it will cause the kids to lose any respect for all authority.

Hmmm....

Don't Hmmm me, spit it out.

Well I think it's just the times we live in with these knee jerk reactions to normal human growing up pains?

When I was a teenager someone could take a punch in the nose without getting handcuffed. Someone could be upset without the need for a 'special' something and a place to talk about it. Someone who broke the law got their parents called. People shouldn't be so quick to 'get involved' and make laws about things that a parent should be getting involved in.

I wonder where were all the parents of those kids? It just takes one parent to show up for the party to end. Grown ups and parents should be the authority and not the police.

If the party was bothering me I would have walked over and asked whoever was in charge to get it under control please. Warn them that some of the neighbors could call the police and again warn them that they need to take care of the really drunk people. That's the way it was or should be...

in my opinion which I know dosn't mean very much.

....oh yeah and I know that in a really rough party my voice would be drowned out by the very loud music or my shoe might get barfed on.:p

At a really rough party you're likely to get your head split open by some drunk teenager who doesn't like being told what to do.