They can not make a National ID card that's not forgeable. They can make it difficult but that will just foil kids. Terrorists and real professional criminals will have them before some of the population. It will work to their advantage too, because the cards will be trusted as absolute proof. :(

Actually, it will just foil adults... kids will be the ones to make workable ones first.

I think rkzenrage has it there. As long as there is any need for ID, there will be children who can fake them.

Baloney. Kids can't effectively counterfeit money, and there's a pretty good incentive to try and do so...

Got my replacement FL DL in the mail, yesterday, and since this one isn't so scratched up you can see all the little details in it.

Besides the 1D and 2D barcodes on the back, the mag stripe, and holograms, my photograph appears three times on the front: one full size and two smaller ones, with one of the smaller ones only visible under a blacklight. Also visible under UV light is my last name on top of the large photograph with a four digit number under it that doesn't seem to mean much of anything. No idea if there is an RFID inside or not. I'll dig the remains of my previous ID and throw it in the microwave to see what happens.

Cherry Hill NJ - the (I think it was 12 year old) was told he must learn how to make money. So he did so. Cafeteria worker only got suspicious when she saw the size of his wad of twenty dollar bills.

Meanwhile, the fact remains. We need an ID so that we can identify who we are (we control it) and so that we can protect our ID. No such system exists AND government intends only a national ID for their purposes.

So now we must carry a state ID (driver's license) and Federal ID? "Show me your papers" is an expression found in totalitarian nations - and to become part of a nation that has Fatherland Security. With all that security, we still will have no way to protect and control our own ID.

It's all academic for me anyway, seeing as I'm "required" to carry my greencard at all times. Of course no-one accepts that as proof of ID either, despite it having my full life story, fingerprint, photo and deepest, darkest secrets emblazoned on the front. And lots of pretty holograms on the back. Of course, though, seeing as you lot don't have to carry one, I can get away without it too 'cause they got no proof I ain't one of ya! :lol:

OT, but...tough shit.
 

Could you *please* explain to me what a quid is? And a bob? And all that other stuff about the British Pound Sterling that I don't understand? Please use small words, I'm not very smart. :D

A quid is a pound and a bob is your uncle.

I thought it was the favored food of sperm whale.

a quid is to a limey as a buck is to a yank.

Bob's your uncle.

We use Chip & Pin in the UK now. The card is inserted into the reader and the customer enters their 4 digit pin in order to authorise the transaction. It helps to prevent stolen cards being used, and from dishonest shop/ restaurant staff cloning cards - as the card should never be out of the customer's sight. It isn't foolproof of course, but it's better than it was.

For internet transactions (certainly in the shop I work in) the terminal allows the card number to be entered manually, but the house number, postcode digits and security number (last 3 numbers on the signature strip) need to be entered. This protects the store from fraudulant card use, but still leaves the customer open to theft by employees.

Pounds: Quid, Nicker (tends only to be used for higher amounts, no-one would say, "That cost me four nicker")

Fives and tens are fivers and tenners, but a twenty is just a twenty.

A pony is 25, a ton is 100, a monkey is 500 and a grand is 1000 - I don't know if you use those in the States.

You won't hear bob for money these days, it's a pre-decimal term. It was the name for a shilling (20 shillings in a pound in old money). Therefore a ten bob note is not the same as a ten pound note.

Coppers are the brown coins - 1 and 2 pence. The silver coins - 5, 20 and 50 pence - are often reffered to as shrapnel.

The 20p and 50p pieces are heptagonal rather than round. Which is why Ron was fascinated by the "weird shape" in the first Harry Potter book. In case any one had been wondering.

Thank you. :notworthy