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xoxoxoBruce 07-07-2006 09:16 PM

I remember reading some time ago, some state probably CA, passed a law you couldn't smoke in your own house in you had a contractor/repairman/employee working there. Anybody heard of that? :confused:

rkzenrage 07-07-2006 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tw
In some towns, there is no other restaurant. They all condone smoking. The other restaurant means going to NY or NJ.

Meanwhile, I believe everyone agrees with this: right of anyone to do what they want on their own private property. Not to be confused with a privately owned public establishment.

"Privately owned public establishment"? LOL!!!:rolleyes:

Happy Monkey 07-07-2006 10:33 PM

Not that funny. They're all over the place. Often called stores, restauraunts, malls, etc.

rkzenrage 07-10-2006 02:14 PM

Which are private property, the owners invite the public to come and buy their products & services. It is not owned by the public in any way. The public comes or does not come at their will, they are not required to in any way.

The next step has begun. Those who think they are entitled to have all think and behave as they do step-it-up even to the point of making-up science.

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Kitsune 07-10-2006 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage
Which are private property, the owners invite the public to come and buy their products & services. It is not owned by the public in any way. The public comes or does not come at their will, they are not required to in any way.

I'm not certain this matters much, anyway, as the issue of smoking in private businesses could be simply rolled in under public health code, which is where I think such laws would reside, anyway.

rkzenrage 07-10-2006 02:35 PM

Sure, OSHA air quality applies... as long as the air quality and ventilation allows for it, I don't see what the issue is.

Happy Monkey 07-10-2006 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage
Sure, OSHA air quality applies...

And any other air quality laws that happen to be passed, such as anti-smoking laws.

rkzenrage 07-10-2006 02:43 PM

Wrong, OSHA enforces EPA standards for associates health, levels that are deemed unsafe for prolonged exposure. If you excluded all carcinogens that would include closing all kitchens, paint stores, nail salons, grills and any other business that puts anything into the air. It is about the associates, not the public.

Happy Monkey 07-10-2006 02:47 PM

That's why they're separate laws. But both laws apply.

rkzenrage 07-10-2006 02:55 PM

The law imposing the publics wishes upon privates property owner's rights should not, however.

Happy Monkey 07-10-2006 03:26 PM

They both do.

rkzenrage 07-10-2006 03:46 PM

Nope, one is about regulating the environment of workers. The other is just fascist individuals who want to force others to be like them.
The two have nothing to do with each other.
Because with proper ventilation people smoking in an establishment are well within OSHA standards. Always have been.

Happy Monkey 07-10-2006 03:56 PM

One regulates the environment of workers, one regulates the environment of customers (and workers). Both impose a public interest onto private property.

rkzenrage 07-10-2006 04:25 PM

So the public needs different air standards? Be specific on what you mean by that and how you come to this conclusion.

Happy Monkey 07-10-2006 04:40 PM

No, the employees can't smoke either.


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