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The NRA was off the mark by a few mils. Arm the students! That's the ticket.

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Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 855238)

That's nothing, I've downloaded the plans for a thermonuclear hand grenade.

Here.

Bloomberg
By Greg Stohr
Apr 15, 2013

New York Gun Limits Intact as High Court Rejects Appeal

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The U.S. Supreme Court dealt a rebuff to gun-rights
advocates including the National Rifle Association,
leaving intact New York’s requirement that people wishing to carry a
handgun in public show a special need for protection.

Refusing for now to be drawn into the fractious nationwide debate over firearms,
the justices today let stand a federal appeals court decision that said
the century-old New York law didn’t infringe the Constitution’s Second Amendment.
The court made no comment, turning away an appeal by five New York residents
and a gun-rights group as part of a list of orders released in Washington.
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In upholding New York’s law, which requires applicants to show “proper cause"
to get a permit to carry a weapon, a federal appeals court pointed to what it called
“a longstanding tradition of states regulating firearm possession and use in public because
of the dangers posed to public safety.”
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New York’s requirement that people wishing to carry a
handgun in public show a special need for protection.

Does "I live in New York" count? :eyebrow:

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(CNN) -- A Kentucky mother stepped outside of her home just for a few minutes, but it was long enough for her 5-year-old son to accidentally shoot his 2-year-old sister with the .22-caliber rifle he got for his birthday, state officials said.

Little Caroline Starks died Tuesday in Burkesville, in southern Kentucky, according to Cumberland County Coroner Gary White.

"The little Crickett rifle is a single-shot rifle and it has a child safety," White said of the weapon. "It's just a tragic situation."

Starks' autopsy is scheduled for Wednesday, but the shooting has been ruled accidental, according to Kentucky State Police Public Affairs officer Billy Gregory.

"The mother was home at the time of the incident but she had stepped outside," Gregory said. "It's just one of those nightmares -- a quick thing that happens when you turn your back."

Gregory said young children in the area are often introduced to guns at an early age.

"In this part of the country, it's not uncommon for a 5-year-old to have a gun or for a parent to pass one down to their kid," he said.

The Crickett website features three different .22-caliber rifle models for kids, with shoulder stock colors ranging from pink to red, white and blue swirls. "My first rifle" is the company's slogan.

Caroline Starks' death comes in the wake of two other incidents in recent months involving young children shooting others. In early April, a 4-year-old boy in Tennessee shot and killed a 48-year-old woman, and just days later, 6-year-old Brandon Holt was killed in New Jersey after being shot in the head by his 4-year-old playmate

A couple thoughts: guns don't kill people. People kill people. In this case, a FIVE FUCKING YEAR OLD BOY killed his little sister.

"Responsible" gun owners, which if I believe some, are most gun owners, SHOULD BE OUTRAGED.

Five years old FFS.

And marketing "My First Rifle" in pretty colors and stuff for kids. Mother fucking god.

This kid got "My First Murder" a two for the price of one. Guess who's going to be fucked up the rest of his life? Well, considering that his mother "just stepped out for a minute" while her FIVE YEAR OLD was packing heat, I doubt he had much chance anyway.

It's not just 'one of those nightmares, a quick thing that happens when you turn your back' Officer Billy. It's not 'just a tragic situation' Coroner Gary. This mother should be prosecuted for the death of her child.

And that's all I got to say about that. :headshake

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/us/ken...html?hpt=hp_t2

Who in there right mind thinks a 5 year old is responsible enough to own a gun?! How is that even legal?

the Darwin awards are for people who do such stupid things it takes them out of the gene pool before they have a chance to reproduce. But it's cruel to prevent the reproduction after the fact like they did here. It would have been better if they took themselves out before the kids were born.

Today after Obama mentioning how he would like to see Guantanamo closed I saw a quote from Lindsey Graham when it was last proposed saying:

“Simply stated, the American people don’t want to close Guantanamo Bay, which is an isolated, military-controlled facility, to bring these crazy bastards that want to kill us all to the United States,”

But he just voted against any change or increase background checks for gun purchases when the majority of Americans want them increased.

Oh the irony! :confused:

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Originally Posted by morethanpretty (Post 863474)

Who in there right mind thinks a 5 year old is responsible enough to own a gun?! How is that even legal?

It's worse than that.

While most of the news services are saying that the 5 year old received the gun as a gift and the general public is reading that as "recent gift", a few other news services have revealed that the 5 year old had been given the gun over a year earlier as a 4th birthday present.

I was thinking of Big Sarge when I heard this on the radio.
It was a rifle.
It was for hunting.
Family lived in rural Kentucky and used guns for hunting and the boy went out with his Dad.

Sarge has taken all his kids hunting.
But Sarge was in the military and the Police.
He would never had left a gun in the corner of the room. A loaded gun?! NO.

In this specific case I don't believe anything or anyone is to blame except for the irresponsible parents. That's like putting a corrosive liquid in a lemonade bottle in the fridge. Children all over the world play "Bang, bang you're dead." The boy would have known better than any English child what happens when you shoot a gun. There is a tiny chance he is a budding psycopath, but there is a far greater chance that the lad was playing and never expected his toy to be primed for slaughter.

^WSS^

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Now son, Daddy's 303 is too big for you, so we got you this special lil' .22. It's yours, but it sits in the gun cabinet, all locked up, with the other guns. Then, when we go shooting, you can carry it, and I'll stand by you and hand you the bullets one at a time so you can shoot them.

Nope, seems Daddy's an idiot. Sad.

Nice one from the Atlanta Journal/Constitution:

Here is one gun that did...

FOX 12
YACOLT, WA
Aug 11, 2013

Man slips, fatally shoots himself near Yacolt Falls

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The Clark County Sheriff's Office has identified the Yacolt man who
investigators say accidentally shot himself with his own gun Sunday morning.

Investigators said 26-year-old Benjamin White and his girlfriend were
looking for their lost dog near Yacolt Falls when she says he slipped and fell,
causing his gun to fire.
White was shot in the face and died before paramedics arrived.

Members of the Volcano Rescue Team were brought in to assist in recovering White's body.
It took several hours due to the remote location and steep terrain.
Investigators said White's death appears to be a freak accident.