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lumberjim 06-04-2007 12:28 AM

all run on sentences, unclear and wandering points, and bizzarre analogies and no play make piercehawkeye go crazy.

Radar 06-04-2007 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 350594)
pierce, babe.....and i say babe cuz yer like 12....


life is a natural right. you have the right to be alive. not because the government or the neighbors say so, but because you JUST DO.

is that simple enough for you to get wrapped around?

He's only a kid? Well it's all starting to make sense now. Kids always think they know everything and they don't know shit. He's only 19. He hasn't even started to learn about life yet.

piercehawkeye45 06-04-2007 01:07 AM

You guys can't even come up with a counter-point except my grammar and age, and you are calling me immature?

I have more questions for you guys. Why would nature create a right that is intrinsically flawed? You have to kill something else to survive, you can not argue that. Why would nature create that right if you have to break it?

Another question. If we have a right to life why does everyone die? Before you laugh I know that it is usually interpreted as "no one can take your life away from you until nature does". That brings up the contradiction, why would nature make a right that nature always breaks?

Aliantha 06-04-2007 01:14 AM

Well you can't mess with the laws of nature pierce. It's part of the great circle of life. (those of you familiar with the lion king wont need any further explanation) The fact that you die has nothing to do with the rights you have when you're alive. Once you're dead you're just worm food, and I doubt worm food has any rights at all, except to be eaten.

If someone kills you then of course they've violated your right. Your right to live.

If you want to know why we all have to die, well, I'd suggest you should probably do a bit of soul searching on that one. Most people ask this question at some stage during their lives.

Aliantha 06-04-2007 01:16 AM

Just remember also that the word 'right' has a certain conotation and it's different from one person to another.

Maybe living isn't a 'right' as such. Maybe it's just a 'state of being'. Maybe there really isn't a good answer for any of these questions.

Radar 06-04-2007 01:17 AM

You do not have the right to kill another person to survive yourself unless that person is trying to kill you. If you are in a plane crash and there's only enough food for one person to survive, you do not have a right to kill the other person.

I don't even know why I'm wasting my time trying to tell an ignorant kid like you about rights, when you're too dim to even know what they are despite having it spoon fed to you dozens of times in this thread.

We have the right to life. Part of life is dying naturally (which does not include being murdered)

Life is a natural process. Not only do you not understand natural rights, you don't even understand the process of human life. I can't believe you even got into a weak school like the University of Minnesota. You're not even bright enough for community college.

Your lack of age is only partially responsible for your willful ignorance and glaring stupidity.

Aliantha 06-04-2007 01:19 AM

Being rude again Radar?

piercehawkeye45 06-04-2007 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 350614)
Well you can't mess with the laws of nature pierce. It's part of the great circle of life. (those of you familiar with the lion king wont need any further explanation) The fact that you die has nothing to do with the rights you have when you're alive. Once you're dead you're just worm food, and I doubt worm food has any rights at all, except to be eaten.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not but to become worm food you have to have your rights violated in the first place. If you do not have your rights violated then the worms starve and have their rights violated.

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If you want to know why we all have to die, well, I'd suggest you should probably do a bit of soul searching on that one. Most people ask this question at some stage during their lives.
I was not getting into that, it was only an example.

Aliantha 06-04-2007 01:21 AM

I was not being sarcastic. Everyone dies. That's just part of life.

Radar 06-04-2007 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 350618)
Being rude again Radar?

Only to those who richly deserve it and who have done all they can to earn it.

Aliantha 06-04-2007 01:27 AM

What's the point? It only makes them feel bad (if they need some kind of validation from you). Does it make you feel good?

piercehawkeye45 06-04-2007 01:38 AM

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You do not have the right to kill another person to survive yourself unless that person is trying to kill you.
That works only for humans, and this right has to either apply to every animal or no animals to be universal.

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If you are in a plane crash and there's only enough food for one person to survive, you do not have a right to kill the other person.
I agree with this except the natural right part, we made that up.

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I don't even know why I'm wasting my time trying to tell an ignorant kid like you about rights, when you're too dim to even know what they are despite having it spoon fed to you dozens of times in this thread.
Umm….I was spoon fed this since I was three and throughout my school years. I, with many other people, just don’t buy into it and see the contradiction with it.

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We have the right to life. Part of life is dying naturally (which does not include being murdered)
This is a good point that you have finally brought up. This I agree with (except the natural vs. man-mad right thing). Like I said, this right has to apply to every animal or no animals for it to be universal, and you have to kill other animals to survive, which contradicts the right.

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Life is a natural process. Not only do you not understand natural rights, you don't even understand the process of human life.
I understand it, I just find it funny that we say only nature can take away our natural right to life. I see what your point is though, nature taking away our life is part of the natural life cycle.

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I can't believe you even got into a weak school like the University of Minnesota. You're not even bright enough for community college.
I know, and I’m actually doing pretty well too. This is all going into civil engineering which is a very tough major.

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Your lack of age is only partially responsible for your willful ignorance and glaring stupidity.
Pulling out the age card again? But I forgot everyone that disagrees with you is a liar and an idiot.

piercehawkeye45 06-04-2007 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar (Post 350621)
Only to those who richly deserve it and who have done all they can to earn it.

Ah, thank you for showing me how your personal perspective is universal. Anyone that Radar thinks deserves punishment must deserve punishment.

Why doesn't everyone agree with Radar because he surely knows how everyone should run their lives.

Spexxvet 06-04-2007 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 350618)
Being rude again Radar?

It's all he knows. He obviously doesn't know shit about rights.

Happy Monkey 06-04-2007 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram (Post 350566)
"Now before we can sell you this SUV, we need to see if you can drive it, please come this way..."

A driving course on every car lot? Why would they do it?


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