But... their kids have guns....

It's all so damn CONFUSING!!!

I don't have to pretend LJ.
I got an IN!
It's tha' religion that'll get me shot....

and it not just tha' chick... it's tha' chick and her FRIENDS!

I have always understood what your pathetic beliefs are. They are just based in stupidity, ignorance, and have no basis in fact or logic. They are completely stupid. Rights don't come from society. You can claim that all you like, but every time you say it, you are lying and I'll call you on it. Rights weren't created by people; every time you say it, you're lying and I'll call you on it. Rights can't be taken away, given away, or voted away; every time you claim otherwise, you are lying and I'll call you on it. If you don't understand this, you're a waste of human flesh and don't deserve to live...but we knew that already.

Your beliefs are irrelevant. You've been presented with FACTS and you still deny them. This is pure stupidity, dishonesty, and willful ignorance. There are people who believe Hitler was a nice guy, but those people are no more or less full of shit than you. There are people who think raping children is ok. They are no more or less full of shit than you.

My views are shit? That is why the majority of philosophers agree with me? Just because you use your views political gain doesn't mean they are right.



The famous philosopher and child prodigy Jeremy Bentham once said,
"Natural rights is simple nonsense: natural and imprescriptible rights, rhetorical nonsense -- nonsense upon stilts."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_rights

So I am obviously not the only one who thinks this and remember, this guy was a child prodigy.



How can I prove that natural rights do not exist? They are not enforced by nature. A natural law enforced by nature. An example of natural law is the speed of light. No matter what you do, you can not change the speed of light in a vacuum. I can break one of your "natural rights" by killing you, taking away your property, or taking away your guns. How does nature enforce this? Nature does nothing so it isn't a natural law.



Here are two essays backing me up:
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-rights.htm
http://eckenrodehouse.net/anarchism/html/secF7.html



I have given you links and sources backing me up. You have given me nothing except insults.

Radar your #678 has to be the worst-argued post I have seen here in a long time... maybe ever. There is not one coherent point in it and every single sentence is pure ad hominem invective. Weak mojo man!

If you have a case for your stance you should bring it out. If you don't, you should reconsider your stance, even though to do so is abhorrent to you.

You won't win here by calling people's opposition dumb or dishonest. You'll get called on it.

Radar, you have yet to show or prove that rights are 'natural' or, for that matter, facts. Asserting that something is a fact does not make it so. I'm not saying that they aren't; I'm just saying, you have yet to make a case for them being facts of any nature.

On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs
(From the book, On Combat, by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman)

http://www.killology.com/sheep_dog.htm

Natural rights do exist, and they are enforced by nature. Also, nearly every philosopher who has ever existed on the planet agrees with this FACT. These include Aristotle, Thomas Aquinas, Locke, Jefferson, and if you believe in Jesus of Nazareth, him too.

Only a few idiots and fools on the fringe disagree. That includes everyone you've listed.

Here are some articles and pamphlets by sane and intelligent people.

http://jim.com/spooner.htm

http://www.constitution.org/law/bastiat.htm

If you state that you are alive, it is indeed a fact. Asserting this fact re-enforces it. I have made my case very well, and have proven for a fact that human rights are part of natural law and they exist beyond any question.

source

here's the thing: while governments have the power to recognize and uphold our rights, or to take them from us....WE hold the power to uphold or overthrow the government.

this make the rights natural, and not bestowable. get it?

Any power bestowed on you by a governing/ruling body, can be revoked by the same.
That's the difference between a privilege and a right, rights can not be taken away, privileges can.
If you think right and privilege are interchangeable, tell the state you have a right to drive a motor vehicle.

Name a state that you have a right to do anything, with no society-enforced caveats.

The difference between cars and guns is that cars were invented after 1787, and they didn't think they needed to bother ensuring a person's right to ride a horse. And with both cars and guns, it's important to ensure that the user knows what they're doing and can be trusted.

Trusted by whom? by the government?

The natural state of human life is freedom, and civilized people give the benefit of the doubt and presume people are responsible in their own lives until they prove otherwise.

Prove to whom? The government?

Of course.

There are thousands of things they could have mentioned, but they knew without the right to bear arms to insure peoples freedom, everything else would be a moot point.