See there, that wasn't so hard, was it ? :rolleyes:
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You are making an assumption there.

We have some 'tweens here who are in transition. I don't think Sam is one of them.

Leah took her boy the Thailand to visit her Elephants. :D

Cool! I didn't know she had a kid. What an amazing trip for him to get to take.

He's all like, "whoah, this noggin has some stiff bristles coming out of it."

Whats up with Sarge? Suppose to have a meet & greet on the 24th. No text, pm. Nothing

He's been having more health issues and apparently got ripped off while in the hospital.

see here, BB: http://cellar.org/showpost.php?p=871583&postcount=9465

(in the "What's upsetting you" thread

Thanks. Ripped off at VA? I can't believe that! :smack: At UMMC some sob stole a Lindy star ring that I'd had for about 35 years. I forgot to take it off before surgery.

ZenGum.

He can't have gotten far. It's a fucking island people!

Ahem. Continent.
You might have been off ill the day in school when the had the lesson, "Hey - Australia is a huge fucking place, kids!"

Then again, you come from America.
You're third in terms of landmass.
Oz is only six. We're all tiddly compared to that.

Esp when we come in at 22...

[BTW I know it was a humorous comment and I'm not correcting you, just bantering]

Ye Olde Englande where 300 miles is a long way and True America where 300 years is a long time.

Ha! Love this.


My town's parish church (now a Minster, woohooo!) is a 16th century rebuild on the site of an 11th century church (one original wall remains) which itself was built on the site of a much earlier church :P

... and Texas where 300 feet up is a tall mountain.

A three-hundred foot high *mountain* in Texas? I think that's probably bullshit.

Well, OK, OK, ... so I exaggerated.
But that's what everyone should expect when talking about Texas.

Emory Peak in Big Bend National Park is at 7800+ feet,
and about 2000 ft above the rest of the park.

*sigh*

Too subtle for my own good.

Yes, it's startling sometimes how many different ways something
on the internet, including BS, can be interpreted by the reader.
... especially those of us with hidden tendencies towards paranoia

I meant that if you found a mountain in Texas that was 300 feet high, it was probably a pile of bullshit.

Yeah, I got that. ;)

sorry to hijack but poop bags on top for 3 days is enough. No offense LGC but really 84 people looked at that :eyebrow:

Are any of those people missing now?

I wonder how Ibby is doing. (Sorry, forgot her "girl" name. Hey, at least I finally remember to write "her" and not "his." :p)

It seems like all of the Cellar peeps from Colorado have disappeared. Maybe there really IS a Stargate in Cheyenne Mountain!

Ibby was the feminine; Ibram was the masculine.

I wish she would return, I miss her posts.

Erika. She's called Erika, guys. And I miss her posts too ....

This is what I recall:

That's from the member list, I found nothing for Erika.

Regardless, she's missed.

Ibby was encouraged repeatedly to change her username to Erika, but refused, for reasons I couldn't understand. She even tried to insist for awhile that "Ibram" wasn't an inherently gendered name to begin with, which was just silly. For whatever reason, she could let go of her original name in real life, but kept a major attachment to her original username. Figuring out who you are is tough enough without gender dysphoria thrown into the mix, but I hope she comes out the other side of it wiser and happier.

Burlington, for all its cosmopolitan charm and granola crunching hippies, can still be a rough town for people like Ibby.

I hope Ibby is doing OK.

If you go around telling people what they must do and say, you're going to have a rough time.

Well, I miss Ibby or Erika and Pamela. They both added a lot to this forum

Lord knows she had enough people here telling her what to do and say.

This seems like a good place for my first Cellar post in a looooooooooooong time... missing Cellarites and all (although I always preferred the more rhyming term Cellar Dweller).

Hello again, anyone who remembers me from the dark ages of dial up.

-Z

Trying to counteract people like you encouraging him to be an asshole. When they find him tied to a barbed wire fence, it'll be your fault.

Welcome back Zorro!

Thanks, Undertoad. And, FWIW, my former username was adamzion. Which is convenient, given that that's my real name.

-Z

xoB, what a thought... and with only a tinge of self-righteousness.

Oh hey, I didn't know you from way back when, but you've got a couple quotes in the cookie files if I recall correctly. Nice to meet you!

AZ, I have often wondered what became of you sir! Double welcome back.

Glad to be back. And quotes from me in the cookie file? All rumours and innuendo, I swear it!

-Z

I don't miss Ibby calling us cunts and telling us what to think, what to say, that we're all oppressors as defined by Ibby and should go fuck ourselves and die, at all. If Ibby ever decides to be civil, I'd welcome the chance to talk again. Ibby was too angry to be coherent, but I hope that, in time, it'll be possible to have a rational conversation. At that point, I think Ibby would be surprised.

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Well, i guess there's nothing more to say about ibs in absentia is there? Not really setting a great example of tolerance just here.

Yeah, yikes.

Tolerance goes both ways, I don't give a rats ass what he does, but he wants to tell me what I must do/say. That doesn't work, and being the internet, I just tell him to fuck off... no problem.
But what the people here were trying to warn him was in the real world you can't do that. Not even if you're real big, real tough, and armed to the teeth, which he ain't.

Tolerance of what? Ibby has to live in the world. Learning how to interact in a civil way is crucial. The sooner Ibby learns some social skills, the better.

Yes i know. I just think that ibs is not here, so why beat up on her in her absence? Thats all.

I think everyone here cares about Ibs. She has a great tension in her life between being true to herself and being safe. We naturally want her to be safe and when we think being true to herself is an over-the-top position we wish she would choose her battles more carefully. A lot of what we saw with her here was experimental, trying out ideas in a wider world. She kind of lit up generational differences. I'd like to see her back, she was an interesting and valued poster. I think I learned a lot from her.


Hi Adam! Its good to see an old-timer.

completely untrue. you should retract this statement.

I realize this is another case of a telling b what to do. Regardless, I stand by it.

all of this is 100% correct and I second each point.

"I think everyone here cares about Ibs."
 

No, not 'everyone'.

HA!

Is finding her tied to a barbed wire fence a ref to Last Exit to Booklyn?
Blends two stories, I'm impressed. 'Cept they both die.

I miss Ibs.
She made me think. She challenged my point of view.
She was young, she was clearly confused (she would not agree!)
And she will change, despite the idea of change being anathema today. Do you remember when she said she didn't believe in formal education and only wanted to learn the lessopns like taught (I'm paraphrasing and it will sould rude and patronising but I'm using it as an example.)

She's learning to fit in, in life. The few TGs I've know IRL and even fewer on the Cellar have made that so bloody clear.
I remember having a shit-fit at 17 with Mum about being denying being a real woman because I chose to use internal feminine products instead of towels?!

So I can forgive her ruffling feathers in in the microcosm of the Cellar.

I'd sure like to hear from her from time to time.

I miss Ibs.

xoB can answer for himself regarding the barbed wire fence image, but I took it as a reference to Matthew Shepard.

That's what I understood, as well.

That was my understanding as well.

That said, I still hope that Ibby will come to the point of communicating without calling everyone who isn't TG an intolerant cunt. I never had a problem with Ibby's identity or sexuality; I had a problem with Ibby's rudeness and lack of respect for other human beings. I suspect that that had more to do with a privileged upbringing and access to an unearned lifestyle in college than anything else.

No it's not. Encouraging him to let the inner bitch all hang out is a good way to get him in more trouble than he can handle.
Ask Pam what the real world is about, she's been around, she knows the dangers.

I may have reading Ibby a little longer and I've got the impression that Ibby uses TG as a crutch. Some people face life's crises with dignity, Ibby is not one of them.

What's the matter with you boy, I say what's the matter with you? Didn't you read the Cellar tag line? "This is Abuse. Complaints are down the hall"