That's a helluva gift there.

:D A friend quit playing and gave me his, so now I have a spare I'll never have a need for. One character has little need for meat, and the other has almost no need, so selling it was a waste. And making people try to read my mind is fun. :)

One more hint: Anyone can obtain the item I'm thinking of.

I take it there isn't a Ferris Bueller Wheel in the game ...

Is it just me, or is KoL s - l - o - w today or what?

Stat days are always slow, because a lot of people save up their turns and wait to play them then. Today and tomorrow are Moxie days.

Looks like my main may Ascend on Day 5 tomorrow. Wow.
L10 TT -> PM -> SA -> TT -> Disco Bandit
Muscle: 146 (66) Myst: 106 (67) Moxie: 149 (99)
Ronin Remaining: 245 Turns Remaining: 13 (but too drunk to continue)
Equipment: Chrome Helmet Turtle, Ridiculously Huge Sword, Star Pants, Ye Olde Golde Frontes, two Mr. Accessories, Palm-Frond Toupee
Effects currently on: Butt-Rock Hair (Moxie boost), Rainy Soul Miasma (+10 Muscle/Myst, -5 Moxie), Sugar Rush (+5% Muscle/Moxie, -10% Myst), Extreme Muscle Relaxation (Muscle boost)
Quests: All but Dark Cave, which is not required

I need a handful of base points for each stat (to get everything up to >= 70 and reach Level 11 to obtain the Sorceress Quest), can potion up to survive in the Hedge Maze, and have all but two keys and one possible Tower item in my inventory already. Yowza.

Question:

Is it a quest item?

Not telling. :P It's not a "one-of-a-kind" or unique item if that's what you're getting at.

I was "getting at" the idea that quest items fill that bill, (found in the town, not avail in market), except that I find I cannot drop it off in the clan stash. oh well, I guess I'll keep guessing.

This can be dropped in the clan stash. I've dropped them in there before, though that's not to say it's currently in there or that it appears in the stash log. Sorry, should have clarified that.

That, of course, is also not to say that the item is not in the stash or stash log. At the moment. Muahahahahahahaha!

Happy (Sad) Monkey wins it! I was looking for an asparagus knife. I have more rares just collecting dust that I would like to give away at some point, so let me know if you have any suggestions for more contests. :)

Yee-haw! Beat the Sorceress with 112 turns remaining in Ronin. Would've been quicker, but the one guardian item I was missing on the way up the Tower (a baseball) was one of the selections.

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Yay! Using all my adventures in level one areas on a Moxie Day wasn't a waste after all! Thanks!

(licks lips) :yum:

Time to hope for some luck tomorrow, I have 15 Lucky Surprise Eggs to use tomorrow before formally Ascending again. The four rarest prizes are worth nearly as much as a Mr. A in the Mall.

I've eaten 500 of those on one character, and 200ish on another, and have never seen even one of the 4 ultra-rares. I am convinced, despite their presence in the mall, that they do not exist. :P

I got one uncommon (a Tiny Plastic Turtle Tamer) and fourteen commons. Not surprising, I suppose, but worth taking a crack at.

Char #1 is going through DB again, the other is going to TT to pick up Amphibian Sympathy. Levelling up familiars to 20 in the Tower's endgame gets annoying without boosts. Sooner or later, I need to send one or the other through the AT path a couple of times.

I've got a meat car and a hermit, but I think I won both of them in antiraffles.

this large (25mb) download struck me as very funny. I don't play WoW, but I totally get the joke. It was really funny, but if anybody here plays it, and watches the short movie, I'd like to hear the backstory. :haha: Check it out.

I do not need the temptation of the Rafflebot, as although it's the only potential way that I'll ever get my hands on a Cheshire Bat, the odds are much more in favor of my going stone broke in pursuit of one instead.

3rd ascension. I kept pastamastery and went Turtle Tamer. I'll keep Empathy of the Newt and go back to pastamancer for Leash of Linguine. I cannot wait to see how hard the micromechamech hits at 33 lbs. :D

You want to keep Sympathy first, not Empathy, as Sympathy is passive.

20 pounds + 5 for Sympathy + 5 for Empathy + 5 for Leash + 5 for familiar equipment + 3 Tiny Plastic Figures = 43-pound familiars. That's a spicy meatball.

That's what I meant, Sympathy. :)
Have you gotten the micromechamech yet? I *think* it's my highest overall damage familiar, but a lot of people still seem to rave about the pickle.

I've gotten it with one of my characters, but haven't bothered to level it up yet -- I'm just going to bring my Volleyball along at Ascension anyway, and by the time I get the MechaMech cranked up I'm ready to Ascend again.

The Pickle is awesome because it does more than attack directly; its "caustic acid" attack seems to act like a Wussiness potion or Disco Face Stab and lower a monster's defenses. I've had many fights against the Sorceress where I couldn't touch her until the Pickle had acid-dripped on her once or twice.

That said, there's really only one area in the game where I use an attack familiar, and that's against the Sorceress. I just love the extra stat gains from the Volleyball too much, as they mean faster climbs to that magic 104-70-70 mark that lets me Ascend.

My first char (TT-PM-SA-TT-DB-DB) could've Ascended today, reaching the Sorceress with two turns to go, but couldn't pull out all of the best equipment for that fight and lost. He'll ascend tomorrow. The other (SC-DB-TT-PM-DB-TT) isn't far behind, and got out of Ronin at the very end of day 5. He has enough stats to tackle the Tower, but the Wheel in the Castle obstinately refused to appear.

#1 has Mad Looting Skills and will be adding Disco Face Stab. #2 is getting Sympathy. Not sure what they'll be going to next.

I think I'm going to take a shot at speed-ascension next time around. It will be nice to have a couple familiar boosting skills so I can spend less time at the arena.

Any turtle tamer ascention hints?

Headbutt + Chrome Helmet Turtle is a nice combination, an extra ~25-30 damage for 3 MP. Without a Chrome helmet, not so much. Wisdom of the Elder Tortoises is awesome (1.5x max MP) and was actually the first TT skill I kept for each character. The Shell skills have been nerfed badly. The familiar-related skills still rock.

Do everything and anything you can to boost Moxie; Sneaky Pete's Breath Spray, cans of hair spray, asbestos crossbows, that sort of thing. Early on it won't matter much, but the Airship and Castle can be a bitch if things are hitting you for 20+ per turn.

No matter how long I play this game, I keep finding item descriptions that I haven't seen before that crack me up.

chorizo brownies
These are chocolate brownies with large lumps of spicy pork in them.
Just like grandma used to make.
Grandma hated you.

Thanks, but I should have specified the Sorceress. My Turtle Tamer is not doing well with her.

My Tamer just whomped her, with difficulty.

Equipment:
Furry Suit
Everyone's favorite anti-Sorceress weapon
Acid-Squirting Flower (does minor damage)
Enchanted Brass Knuckles (2x critical hits, not essential)
Amulet of Extreme Plot Significance (couldn't think of much else to put there)
Pickle + Skewer-Mounted Razor Blade

I used a Wussiness Potion when she seemed to be at full strength, carried a lot of Casts and Doc Galaktik's Restorative Balms, and used a ton of Plot Holes in the second battle. I think I got five or six in a row to hit.

If work would cease sucking, I would get back to playing ...

Wow. Easily my best Day 1 ever. Love those Muscle Days. If you've ever wondered if two Mr. A's are worth the expense, they are.

TT->PM->SA->TT->DB->DB-> L7 TT
Muscle: 95 (47) Myst: 54 (24) Moxie: 58 (24)
Ronin remaining: 790 Turns remaining: 10 (too drunk to continue)
Equipment: Crown of the Goblin King, Turtleslinger, Knob Goblin Elite Pants, Porquoise Necklace, two Mr. A's, Palm-Frond Toupee
Quests complete: Mosquito Larva, Tavern, Meatcar, Bat Hole, Goblin King, Deep Fat Friars. Cyrpt is available, but too hard for me until I can wear the Lihc Face.

If there is one zone that I loathe more than any other in KoL, it's the Itznotyerzitz Mine.

The items you get there for your outfit aren't bad and are appropriate for your level at that point, but obtaining the required Linoleum Ores sucks hard.

An inexpert swing of your pickaxe causes a tremendous cave-in! You take 105 damage.
(3 turns at the Gym to make Beaten Up expire)
(Rest at Campground)
You get Asbestos Ore!
An inexpert swing of your pickaxe causes a tremendous cave-in! You take 105 damage.
(four more adventures wasted)
(lather rinse repeat until it decides to give you three linoleum)

From now on, 5K apiece or not, they'll be among my items-to-pull-from-storage for Ascension runs.

You can save one Gym adventure. Beaten Up expires before the campground effects are applied, so if you have one Beaten Up turn left, you can be at full HP/MP after one nap, assuming you have few enough HP/MP for one rest to fully heal you. If you don't, you can save even more adventures by resting while beaten up for one or two more adventures.

True, but I'd rather gain _something_ from those turns, and the Gyms give me a couple of stat subpoints for my time.

The alternative is something like:
{Use MPs for self-buffing, Rest} x3, if I have a buff that needs to be reapplied. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.

It's just annoying wading through turn after turn of useless Asbestos and Chrome Ores and cave-ins when the RNG is in a bad mood. I don't think there's another roadblock that's quite as annoying in the game; at least if the 334 scrolls, Goat Cheeses, Immateria, Giant Wheel, Butterknife et al. aren't popping up in their respective areas, you're getting stat points and items and meat from what is popping up. Even plowing half a day into the Friar's Gate waiting for the fucking Map gives you Hellion Cubes.

You're not gaining anything if you then go on to the campsite for the same nuimber of turns anyway. One thing I do, since (due to a fondness for lucky surprise eggs) I have a lot of Scrolls of Drastic Healing, is go to the gym for two turns, then use the Beanbag, then use a scroll.

But I do agree about the mine. Very annoying.

If I've gotten as far as the Airship, I can use a Soft Green Etc. and then a Scroll to wipe out Beaten Up in one turn.

Alas, if I'm stuck at the Mine, I'm not far enough along to have Airship items without pulling them from storage. :)

Remind me to go get Tongue of the Walrus on one of these runs.

Now that I'm taking my secondary down the AT route, I may end up revising this a little, maybe going 3A and 3B rather than 3 and 4.

The Tamer analysis stands: Headbutt + Chrome Helmet Turtle is a nice combo and cheap to buy, the familiar skills and Wisdom rock, the rest is a wash.

The AT, on the other hand, is surprising me with its ability to do damage. Part of it is that Moxie is super-easy to build up as an AT, but I'm hitting for more than I thought I would with a very-high Moxie and low Muscle. Instead of pumping up Muscle via candy, Thin Black Candles and Super-Spiky Hair Gel just to be able to damage Giants, I'm hitting for 20-25 a shot with Muscle around 100 and Moxie around 150, with my Star Crossbow. THAT was a surprise; it's almost as if Crossbow Fever is inherent in the class or something.

Moxious Madrigal is a must for any class; it's +10 Moxie for a mere 2 MP, something that everyone will benefit from. I'm on the fence about Stevedave's Shanty of Superiority -- an extra 10% to each stat is very nice in the later levels, but it won't help much early on. Aloysius's Aptitude looks like a no-brainer until you stare at its 40 MP cost for 5/15 turns.

But since high Moxie > high anything else... damn. My AT's base right now is 91; after figuring in Butt-Rock Hair, Stevedave's, the Madrigal, a Star Crossbow, a Chrome Helmet Turtle, Sneaky Pete's Breath Spray, a Badass Belt and a Mr. A., it's _167_ pumped up, and I could take it even higher if I wanted to. Hell, that's enough to handle the Hole in the Sky already, and I can drop down to eXtreme Cold-Weather Gear _much_ earlier than a Muscle- or Myst-centric character can to rake in meat from the Peak.

Sorceress == dead again x2, both with about 100 turns left in Ronin. Got a little lucky with the AT after whiffing several healing items in a row; won with 6 HP left on three consecutive turns. That's seven Ascensions for each character.

So now I'm undecided...
TT->PM->SA->TT->DB->DB->TT->xx will probably go to AT to pick up Moxious Madrigal, as that will be a godsend for later spellcasting runs. No major holes on this character; he has Wisdom, Pastamastery, Advanced Saucecrafting, Sympathy, Mad Looting, DFS and Empathy to carry over, plus about a hundred-plus DB drinks stocked away.

Not sure on the SC->DB->TT->PM->DB->TT->AT->xx. Saucecrafting would fill in the Reagent Potion hole, I could go back for Leash of Linguini or Empathy, or pick up another AT skill.

How about running through an ascention just to get permanent Torso Awareness?

I'm not sold on its usefulness yet to the extent that'd make it worthwhile. I'd probably take Powers of Observatiogn first.

None of the shirts have much in the way of bonuses; I think the Supportive Bra is the highest at +5 Moxie. In terms of being extra armor, most of them are pretty low-level stuff (40 or 50 power), which is no more than an unboosted Ghostly Shell adds, and I've been pretty unimpressed with what _that_'s done for damage reduction. The big one is the Star Shirt, 165 points of armor, but is that plus +1/All Attributes worth an Ascension skill slot?

Maybe if I was building a defensive monster, stacking Astral Shell + Ghostly Shell + Tao of the Terrapin + best armor available + best shirt available + Hippo Buckler + Star Buckler, it'd be a help, but I'm not sure that I'll ever want or need to do that.

#1 is up around 1.7 million meat and #2 is just over a million. Not bad, especially since prices on Mr. As are dropping, but it'd still take me forever to work up to a Cheshire Bitten (currently at around 12 million). I have some decent meat-making rackets, but they're not THAT fast, particularly if I keep going right back into Ronin.

I've sold a couple of clockwork items, to finally bump past the M100,000 mark. It's hard to figure the prices out, though. A clockwork bartender head is worth more than a clockwork bartender head in a box which is worth more than a clockwork bartender in a box. Weird.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I put a Goth Kid T-Shirt in the Mall for 500,000 meat... AND SOMEBODY BOUGHT IT.

Damn...

On a related note, someone once offered me two shirts (I don't remember what kind, they may have been Goth Kid) for my Mr. A. Their justification was that the minimum price on the mall was a billion meat. Of course, that was also the only price on the mall, and nobody was buying it...

Now that I looked at _who_ bought it, it's even funnier.

Yesterday, for some reason, the market on Goth Kid shirts was nearly dry; the lowest price out there was 200,000,000 meat. I had one, so I put it up as a joke at 199,999,995 meat.

Another seller popped up a few minutes later with 60 of them for sale, and put his at 100,000,000 meat.

I dug the concept of a ridiculous undercutting war, so I put _mine_ at 50 million.

He dropped his to 10 million.

I dropped mine to 1 million.

He dropped his to 250,000.

I dropped mine to 100,000, then figured "screw it" and put it at 500,000 and left it there.

HE BOUGHT MINE AT THAT PRICE.

Now, a REALLY funny bit. Check the market now, and the guy has 60 of them at 10 million apiece. There are a couple of dozen at 1 million or less, with the lowest at 75,000 meat. So much for the "corner the market" strategy.

Now the REALLY REALLY funny bit. Do you know how one acquires a Goth Kid T-Shirt in the first place?

1) Ascend.
2) Select a Moxie sign.
3) Buy the Torso Awaregness skill for 5,000 meat.
4) Obtain a Warm Subject Gift Certificate, which can be bought from the mall for as little as 445 meat if you don't have one or don't feel like adventuring for one.
5) Use it.

It's that simple. It's not that great of an item, it's not hard at all to obtain, and every single player can get one every time they go through a Moxie path.

Five hundred thousand.

I love this game.

I wonder if he'll still be doing it when I get home tonight... (crosses fingers)

Ronin is now only 800 turns long. THAT's going to save me some operating expenses.

HELP! I suppose I ought to just ask this back at the clan.. and I have a bunch of stuff to drop off into the stash.. BUT! how in the f*cking hell does one get to the hole in the sky?!?!?!?! I have the furry fur, the giant needle and the awful poetry.. as well as the disturbing fanfic and every other damn thing you can get from the giants! do I need to use the procrastination potion? the fanfic?!?! ARRRRGH!

You need to turn the wheel until the Procrastination Giant is guarding the back door, and then use the castle map.

This kind of reminds me of text-based game i used to play online called Kings of Chaos. It used to be real simple and way fun, then when the second Age started, it kind of went to shit. Overly complicated, etc. took all the fun out of being one of the small guys and bleeding out the giant armies one attack at a time.

I'm at the Sorceress' pets now with my hardcore oxygenarian Disco Bandit. It's been a long damn slog, but I'm getting close. I'll hopefully complete my first HC Oxy ascension by Saturday. :)

I will NOT do HC Oxy again until I've got some useful skills under my belt. It just takes too damn long. :D

Are you only doing hardcore?

One character is hardcore only. I enjoy it, but the game can be frustrating at times.

thanks.. yeah frustrating would be one word for it...

Olofik the Hardcore Oxygenarian is now on a higher plane of existence. :D

I'm debating Disco Face Stab vs. Mad Looting. Since I'm going Pastamancer Hardcore Teetotaler this next round, I think it'll be Mad Looting.

Took me ~2800 adventures, but I spent a lot of time goofing off in the Gnomish Gnomads Camp to get the clockwork gear and familiars.

To celebrate, my alt, Nataya, has 9 Ghost Pickle on a Stick familiars. That character is in Ronin right now so I can't send them out just yet, but send me a kmail to that alt and I'll pass them out until they're gone. Please only ask for 1 for your main character. :)

EDIT:
I choose Mad Looting. Check out the pants I got as a reward:

Plexiglass pants
Type: pants
Power: 180
Moxie Required: 75
Cannot be traded.
Cannot be discarded

Enchantment:
Combat Initiative +25%
+20% Item Drops from Monsters
Moxie +30%

They probably won't do me any good, with such a high requirement in a secondary stat, but they're cool.

VERY nice. I will never have the patience to go through hardcore, so I'll remain envious of those pants.

The drawback, as you noted, is that they won't be usable until the endgame if you're Ascending as quickly as you can, but that 30% Moxie boost is _huge_.

If you have an alt to do it, it's definitely worth it to just do one HC Oxy run. It got plenty frustrating at times, especially thanks to the RNG, but all in all, it was a lot of fun.

The +20% Item Drops will be useful in the endgame as well, when collecting red pixels/plot holes/etc for the next softcore run. Or to just farm clockwork parts or stars/lines for cash.

I just started a hardcore pastamancer run, to pick up a solitaire.

How Ascended players can make even more disgusting amounts of meat in a few easy steps:

1) Choose a Muscle sign to get access to Inside Degrassi Knoll.
2) Spend the 5,000 meat to get a plot at the Mushroom Fields as soon as you can. Seems like a lot in the early going, but trust me, it's worth it to get the ball rolling early.
3) Spend 800 meat to plant 16 Knoll Mushroom spores in the field.
4) Wait until rollover, when your Knoll Mushrooms will have grown. Pick them and spend another 800 meat to plant the next day's batch.

You now have 16 Knoll Mushrooms. Current going rate in the Mall for these is around 2500-2600 meat, so that's 40000 meat per day for an investment of 5000 meat up front and 800 meat daily.

OR you can take it a step further:
5) Buy 16 Secret Blends of Herbs and Spices (typical price: 1100 each).
6) Buy 16 Knob Sausages (typical price: 225 each).
7) Cook the Blends and Mushrooms, then the resulting Stir-Fry with the Sausages to make 16 Knob Sausage Stir-Fries.
8) Sell THOSE at 6000 apiece. Investment: 5000 up front and (16 * (50 + 1100 + 225)) = 22000 per day, Return: 96000 per day, using up 32 charges of a 14K Chef-in-the-Box.
9) ...
10) PROFIT!

where do the underpants come in? no really thanks for the tip. if you ever hear from jhonny_malakis.. let him in he's a really shrewd businessman on this game.. he single handle handedly (with stuff mining from myself) dropped the market for chef/bartender in a box...he's good... and a damn nice person (in the hating people in generall crowd.. and which of us are not?)