Nice impersonation. :D Although I was using it in the same context it was used to describe me.

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Goddamn. I wish I knew a few ex-slaves right now, I'm sure they'd be lining up to kick you ass for equating income tax to slavery.

Har! :haha:

So, the government is taking the fruits of his labor? Must not be working at that place he claimed was not taking any taxes, because he was paid in cash:

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I won't be filing any income tax returns ever again and I'm not paying income taxes either. I'm working for an employer that doesn't withhold any taxes and pays me in cash.

Hum...so, if he isn't going to file any returns or pay taxes ever again, what is the government taking from him? :confused:

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As an individual, you have no right to take the life of others unless it is in your own defense. You have no right to murder others and you do have a right to defend yourself even with deadly force or to allow your agents to defend you so yes, individuals CAN give this power to government because it is a right that individuals would have even without government.

So wait: he's allowed to kill people who disagree with his POV, and call it "defense"????

*sounds the alarm*

"watching Radar froth at the mouth is fun."

It's all fun, until somene pokes an eye out. :p

Exactly! You gotta wonder what Radar is going to do after the next election. Shoot everybody who didn't vote Libertarian? The spookiest thing is that he thinks he's perfectly justified in his desire to kill everybody who doesn't agree with him.

Same thing he did after the last election, and the one before it, andthe one before that.
The beauty of backing the losing (or one of the losing) ticket(s) is you get to bitch & moan and say I told you so from the roof tops.;)

I stopped working there almost a year ago. I've been working for Boeing in their commercial (non-government) sattelite division.

No, I'm not allowed to kill people who disagree with me. In fact in the words of Voltaire, I might not agree with a word you have to say, but I'd fight to the death for your right to say it.

I am allowed to kill those who are trying to rob me and turn me into a slave at the point of a gun. You can have all the different opinions you want, as long as you don't try to use force to take what I have earned and then have the nerve to act like I shouldn't be upset about it. It's called self DEFENSE. YOU are the one trying to use force against me. I am only using force to defend myself.

Wrong again gimpy. I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me, but I do mind someone threatening me with violence, stealing from me and trying to turn me and my fellow countrymen into slaves to fulfill thier own percieved needs. Nobody is entitled to steal from others no matter how much they think they need something. You are free to ask me, and in many cases I'll willingly give, but if you try to use force against me, don't be surprised when I return the favor 10 fold.

Of course I'll bitch. What am I supposed to do, cheer when I see American civil liberties being flushed down the toilet and liars and thieves try to justify their robbery of MY hard earned income?

The beauty is I'm right every time whether Libertarians win an election or they don't. For the record, libertarians DO win elections.

There are more than 600 libertarians in elected positions in America right now and the number is growing. I'm in the fastest growing party in America while the major parties are losing people. It's not a matter of IF we'll have a Libertarian President, Supreme Court, and Congress, it's just a matter of WHEN. It will be during my own lifetime. Hell I might even be the first Libertarian President, you never know. America, and the world would certainly be a happier, safer, more prosperous, place with more liberty, freedom, and opportunity for everyone if Libertarians were in charge.

Boeing is paying you in cash and not withholding taxes? Or do you mean you used to work for a company that was paying you in cash and now you are working at Boeing? Just making sure I understand.

I used to work for a company that pays cash, now I'm working at Boeing in an effort to bring my wife here through proper channels. Once she's here, who knows maybe I'll start my own religion. I'm already an ordained minister.

Got it.

I'm obviously joking about the religion thing. I don't even believe in god. But I am an ordained minister. :)

I'll probably just start my own business that mostly deals in cash and report far less than what I actually make or even report losses so I can prevent being victimized by those who would rob me.

Maybe I'll buy a few nail shops for my wife or something. Either way I'll do what I must to defend against tyrrany and I'll help others do the same. I'll also help get more and more libertarians elected, including myself.

I'll probably just start my own business that mostly deals in cash and report far less than what I actually make or even report losses so I can prevent being victimized by those who would rob me.

Comeing to a jail near you Radar for tax fraud !!!!!

I don't even believe in god. But I am an ordained minister.

So if you don't beleve in god , just what religen are you "ordaned" in ?????? The Universal church of Radar ????

It's not fraud to protect your income from illegal laws. The government is NOT entitled to know how much money we earn or to have any of it.

Actaully the Universal Life Church of Modesto, California

Radar's own words, "I will spill blood... I will kill them without a second thought..." You bet. Let's go have a political debate in Auschwitz or the "Killing Fields" of Cambodia.

I will kill in my own defense shit stain. Only a dildo like you would try to compare that to the killing fields of cambodia or auchwitz.

I'm sure when a mugger attacks and old lady who happens to be armed and takes him out with a 44 magnum, you compare her to Hitler.

Oh and what about this ???

The problem is some people want to force people to attend school even though not all children should attend schools.

Uhh who desides this ?? You and your liberterian buddies , the grand councile ??? The kids them selfs ( who going thru school wouldn't have Loved to have this decision ) ???

And if the kids DO get to deside , just WHAT do we DO with this great uneducated mass of folks ??? Are they the folks that build the monuments to the great Libertarian gods ????

marine corps?

Only if they have homicidealy tendedcys !!!!!!


But the questien is What have YOU done for your country ????

Universal Life Church doesn't count!

My memory is rusty, where is the Boeing facilities? I know JPL has some buildings in Northridge (or was it more like Canoga Park?) and Lockheed has facilities up in Lancaster. But I cant for the life of me remember where Boeing has its facilities.

Their parents make that decision as they do all others until they're grown.

We wouldn't have any more of a great mass of uneducated folks than we already do. The difference is they'd have a few more years of work under their belts as an apprentice to learn a trade and be able to earn a living other than by flipping burgers.

LOL

I served in the U.S. Navy and I still uphold my oath to uphold and defend the Constitution (unlike those soldiers in Iraq), I educate my fellow citizens, and I help true patriots get elected.

Sure it does. I can legally perform weddings. My friend does it.

I'm working in the Torrance location, but Boeing is all over the place. Most of Boeing Sattelite Systems is in El Segundo, but the Electron Dynamics Division is like our own autonomous area a few miles away in Torrance. But there are facilities in Seal Beach, and all over the country. The El Segundo buildings were all Hughes Space and Communications before but got bought by Ratheon, Boeing, and others. I did work for Hughes too.

You said you would kill people who wanted income tax.

Everyone take 3 big steps back and look at that statement.
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Right.

Learn what trade exactly? Carpentry? I can see it in 20 years now "America thunders back into the position of the world's most powerful economy with massive exports of handmade chairs"

Seriously, how many trades are left in this day and age. If it's manual labour, construction being the obvious exception, it's pretty much been outsourced.

No, I said I'd kill those who tried to stop me from eliminating 100% of the Constitutional parts of government including income taxes. They can want anything and I'm not bothered. It's when they act on it that I have a problem. A man can want to steal what's mine, but until he actually starts stealing it I won't do anything against him.

Plumbers make more money than many doctors. There's fiber optic technicians, electricians, mechanics, bartenders, truck drivers, cooks, brick layers, mail delivery, cement workers, luggage handlers, orderlies in hospitals or old folks homes, security guards, dock workers, road workers, factory workers (America still has factories), and dozens upon dozens of other jobs including....you guessed it.....carpentry. I don't know if you noticed it, but people still build things, still eat, still go on vacations, etc. For everything that needs to be done, there's someone out there to do it.

Seriously, how many trades are left in this day and age. If it's manual labour, construction being the obvious exception, it's pretty much been outsourced.

I hear PA's gonna need a lot more inspectors soon... :)

I've paid lots of taxes. And i've helped many many people get financing for their cars so that they can get to work and contribute to the GNP.

I know you served in the corps, and I respect that, but what have YOU done for your country?

Is just serving your term in the military ACTUALLY contributing to the country? From a financial standpoint, your salary was paid by taxpayers, as was your food, clothing and training. Can you honestly say that you have done MORE than I have for this country?

It's an interesting topic, and my opinion is not fully formed, so please don;t think that i'm saying that i don;t think military service is of value, i'm just saying that you shouldn;t take a superior tone with people who have not actually enlisted just because you DID. we all contribute to the country...just in different ways.

Good point lumberjim. Government doesn't contribute wealth to society, it's drains it. If you are one of the countless bureaucrats or even a member of a bloated and oversized military that is being used for offense rather than defense in one of the many unnecessary positions being filled, you're not contributing, you're doing just the opposite.

I'll probably just start my own business that mostly deals in cash and report far less than what I actually make or even report losses so I can prevent being victimized by those who would rob me.

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Comeing to a jail near you Radar for tax fraud !!!!!

From your lips to God's ears...:D

I don't even believe in god. But I am an ordained minister.

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So if you don't beleve in god , just what religen are you "ordaned" in ?????? The Universal church of Radar ????

Kee-rist almighty, does it get any wackier???? A non belief in God, but managed to be ordained as a minister...scary!

Perhaps a more warped version of the Branch Davidians? (or as I like to call them, "the wackos in Waco") :eek:

I'm scratching my head to come up with a word for an atheist minister. Radar, your pretty literate - help me out here. :)

And they're all so much better jobs than flipping burgers. Lets face it, they're all the bottom of the food chain. They're mostly taken by immigrants who can't get anything else.

Scholar? Faculty?

They call the ones who do believe in god, "A Man of God" so why not "A Man of Reason"? Or just plain ol' "Minister"

Yes, they are leaps and bounds better than flipping burgers. Try triple the pay even for an apprentice. That's hardly "bottom of the food chain". I'd rather do any of those jobs than burger flipping. And these jobs aren't picking fruit, they're great jobs that pay well enough to support a family. In fact I'd be willing to bet there are quite a few plumbers who make more money than you.

How about the "Irreverant Reverend?" Radar became a minister because this allows him to dodge various taxes, folks. Its a tried and true Libertarian ploy. One of the things that intrigues me is that Radar gets to decide which laws he will follow and which he won't because he has apparently gotten the direct word from John or Samuel Adams and he knows the TRUTH while the rest of us do not. Actually, the voice whispering in Radar's ear is that of Ayn Rand. I've mentioned her name before. All Libertarian philosophy can be traced directly back to the writings of Ms. Rand who founded a school of thought called "Objectivism" back in the early 50's.

Radar parrots Ayn Rand left and right (mostly extreme right, of course). She is the one who popularized the statement that income taxes amount to slavery and the taking of one's life. Ms. Rand (a pen name, by the way) started out life as a member of the Russian aristocracy. Her life of wealth and priviledge was rudely interrupted by the Russian revolution of 1914. After much hardship and suffering she managed to escape Russia for the US where she settled in New York and began to turn out lengthy pot boiler novels like THE FOUNTAINHEAD and ATLAS SHRUGGED.

Her writings found a receptive audience in the cold war hysteria of the early 50's. She sounds good at first reading, but upon reflection it is easy to see how what she writes is a hysterical over reaction to her experiences under communist repression. Yeah, communism is a lousey idea, but near anarchy, extreme right wing Libertarism is not the correct response.

Ms. Rand had no formal training in economics nor was she a student of American history. His thinking was reactionary in nature and flawed at almost every turn. Yet her philosophy is the basis for Libertarianism and Radar would shoot those of us who do not agree with her.

Just what have YOU done for your country, Radar, besides break its laws and spout a hate-based political agenda ("I will shed blood...")? Did you see combat during the course of your military duty? My father was career military and served the United States in World War II, the Korean conflict, and two tours in Vietnam. He also paid his taxes and voted in every election. He wasn't Libertarian, however, and would have opposed your attempts to take over this country. For this you would have executed him?

I have nothing but contempt for you, Radar. Stop driving on the Interstate you never paid for and go serve your country on the front lines. You live under a political system you won't pay a dime to support, benefiting by the sacrifices other Americans such as my father made and you threaten with death those who don't go along with your narrow minded, selfish little agenda. You lack the vocabulary to respond with anything other than obscenities toward those who call you upon your words. As far as I am concerned, YOU are the parasite.

Irreverand (Which, IIRC, would make radar Irreverand Ireland. Which I find very funny).

AhHA! I *knew* this was a cult in the making! (slightly j/k folks) ;) Isn't this attitude akin to anarchy ?

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I have nothing but contempt for you, Radar. Stop driving on the Interstate you never paid for and go serve your country on the front lines. You live under a political system you won't pay a dime to support, benefiting by the sacrifices other Americans such as my father made and you threaten with death those who don't go along with your narrow minded, selfish little agenda. You lack the vocabulary to respond with anything other than obscenities toward those who call you upon your words. As far as I am concerned, YOU are the parasite.

*bowing and chanting* "I am not worthy...I am not worthy!" :D

Yet another lie. Libertarian philosophy goes back hundreds of years and was followed by the founders of America.

I am happy and proud that you would compare me to a genius like Ayn Rand who is your superior in every way. I'm also proud that a left-wing socialist such as yourself would consider me to be a right-wing libertarian even though there is no such thing. I'm equally happy to be called a left-wing or liberal libertarian by those on the right. It only proves I'm doing the right thing.

Only if he stood against me or tried to prevent me from returning America to a Constitutional Republic. He did take part in unconstitutional wars and he was certainly not defending America while he was in them (Korea & Vietnam). Whether or not I saw any combat while serving in the military is irrelevant. I would have, and still would, be the first in line to defend America against an attack, but I would not take part in the violation of the Constitution as those who took part in Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, Iraq (both times), etc. did. Had I stayed in the military, I would not have followed an order to fight in Iraq because it is an unlawful one.

I can't say you're important enough for me to muster up much of any emotion for you, but if I had to think of how I feel about you, I suppose "disgust" and "pity" would come to mind.

Grow up you ignorant wretch. I pay plenty of taxes, but I won't pay any income taxes because they are nothing short of slavery. If a tax is placed on a product, I can choose not to have that product, but my labor is always mine regardless of what you or the government say.

I have paid for the interstates, police, schools (even though they should be abolished), libraries, parks, etc. with the huge amount of taxes I do pay. I pay tax every time I eat out, fill my car with gas, make a phone call, stay in a hotel, buy an airplane ticket, watch cable television, etc. I pay plenty of taxes.

And since you're such a moron, let me clue you in on something. 100% OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL PARTS OF GOVERNMENT CAN BE PAID FOR WITHOUT COLLECTING A SINGLE PENNY OF INCOME TAX!!! That includes a post office, a defensive military, a judiciary, congress, president, and everything else specifically mentioned in the Constitution. We'd just have to eliminate the unconstitutional parts like welfare, social security, medicare, federally funded education, business and farm subsidies, organizations like the FCC, FDA, FBI, CIA, BATF, IRS, Homeland Security, etc.

This is the first correct thing you've said in a long time. You aren't worthy. You aren't worthy of the freedom the founders fought and died to create in this country. You aren't worthy to live in a country men like me currently fight to keep free and neither is your pathetic gimpy friend who is nothing but a leech.

Erm. I'm no fan of most of these institutions but er, wouldn't it be a little hard to govern in a state overun by crime, unsafe drugs, emission hell wacking all electronic equipment to shit (thus no mobile networks, stable radio stations etc) and well, someone needs to collect the tax you think is valid. I wonder how much that is. The defence budget is over 400B these days.

Of course many of these problems didn't exist when that document was written.

In other words you haven’t. Never having seen combat, you can speak blithely of taking the lives of those who oppose you.


Radar attempts to take the moral high ground when all he has is a slippery slope. He is doing exactly what he accuses the Federal government of doing and expects the rest of us to sign off on it. Since Radar pays no income taxes, I and every other tax paying American, get to foot the bill so that Radar can drive to his tax free job everyday. The rest of us get to pay the bill for the food Radar puts on his table and which he got at a lower price thanks to Federal agricultural assistance programs. Any health care Radar recieves will be from professionals whose schooling you and I helped pay for through the public education system and government backed college tuition loans. When Radar’s wife comes to this country to set up nail shops, Radar will no doubt make use of government subsidized small business and minority owned business loans to help her set up shop. You and I will pay for this. Radar will not.

I don’t recall authorizing Radar to be a leech at my expense. If anyone is taking advantage of me, it is Radar, far more than the Federal government. To add insult to injury, Radar wants to wrest my SSDI money away from me at the point of a gun. This is my own money which I paid into the system over a life time of hard work. Yet Radar feels free to take it from me and threatens me with murder if I protest. Bottom line, there is no difference between Radar’s actions as an individual and the actions he percieves the government of being guilty of. If anything, Radar is even more of a thief. At least I have the option of writing my congressman. I doubt if Radar will give us the address of his accountant.

Blackdamnit! Yet another person I'm forced to pay for! :mad:

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I don’t recall authorizing Radar to be a leech at my expense. If anyone is taking advantage of me, it is Radar, far more than the Federal government. To add insult to injury, Radar wants to wrest my SSDI money away from me at the point of a gun.

Fuck that dumb shit. He wants us to pay for his shit and THEN have the nerve to take our money away, and THEN is willing to kill us beause we don't agree??? :rar:

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This is my own money which I paid into the system over a life time of hard work. Yet Radar feels free to take it from me and threatens me with murder if I protest. Bottom line, there is no difference between Radar’s actions as an individual and the actions he percieves the government of being guilty of. If anything, Radar is even more of a thief. At least I have the option of writing my congressman. I doubt if Radar will give us the address of his accountant.

BAM! End of story, good night, thanks for playing! :thumb:

I haven't spoken "blithely" about anything. I have been speaking gravely about a serious situation. You are the one making ludicrous comparisons to Hitler and Pol Pot. I am talking about defense. I am talking about defending my country from my government, defending myself from aggression, and defending my property from theft. And I would kill those who oppose the country and legacy of freedom given to me by the founders.

I freely admit I haven't been in combat, but again, that means nothing. You just feel the need to mention it because you think someone who has fought in combat has somehow given more to their country than someone who hasn't which is a crock of shit. Those in combat in Iraq were undermining the Constitution and America. They weren't defending America and have actually harmed America instead of doing their duty.

No, you don't and neither does anyone else. You in particular don't pay for shit you little leech.

I pay for every single thing I use from government myself. I pay enough taxes to pay for the roads I drive on. I pay tariffs for produce grown in other countries (most is imported and not grown here because farmers are paid stolen money to NOT grow food), I pay for the healthcare I receive from the best doctors who attended private schools paid for entirely in cash by their parents, and I have never, and will never take a dollar of money from government for assistance in anything. Just because they have stolen from me, doesn't mean I'm entitled to steal from others by taking that dirty money. If I ever am in need of assistance or charity, I will get it from private non-profits, family, and friends.

I will open the nail shops by paying in cash. They are fairly cheap to open. I could open one for less than $30k.

Since I pay for every single government service I want, and many that I don't want (farm subsidies, student loans, etc) and because you don't pay squat in taxes, you are once again talking out of your ass. You are a parasite and you want to justify your theft by accusing others of doing the same.

Wrong. It's not YOUR money. YOUR money was spent long ago to pay for some old people to eat cat food because they relied on government to help them. The money YOU are getting is someone else's money. The money of young kids working to feed money into the broke pyramid scheme of social security. Try again loser.

Here comes the drama. Give it a rest. I haven't specifically threatened you or anyone else. I have said I WILL eliminate all unconstitutional parts of government including social security even if it must be done at the point of a gun. This isn't murder. If someone is robbing you at the point of a gun, and you shoot them, you are not guilty of murder. You have defended yourself and your property. None of your worthless lies will change the fact that defending yourself and your property is not murder. Yes, you can write your congressman to ask for a larger cut of the stolen pie and no I will not give you my address. I am my own accountant.

Your bogus claims that I am somehow getting services from government I don't pay for are laughable. And you mention services that I don't use, don't want to use, don't benefit from, and don't want to suggest I am stealing. What a joke!

You haven't got a leg to stand on........oops!

Shut the hell up you stupid bitch. I don't take shit from you or anyone else and you get mad when I want to keep what I've worked for, to spend it on the schools I want my kids to attend, to give to charities I think are worthwhile, to get the healthcare I want, etc? You're out of your feeble little mind.

I will kill in my DEFENSE, and not otherwise. Stop stealing money from me and other Americans, and you have nothing to worry about. Stop trying to turn me and other Americans into slaves and you won't have anything to worry about.

Any increases in crime would be negligible, private drug certification and testing companies could verify the safety of drugs without holding them up for 10 years and companies would still be liable for damage they cause, private organizations like the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority could keep track of electronic signals, emissions, etc. and companies would buy from the companies that were the most reliable, etc.

Give it a rest, yourself, Radar. You seriously want us to believe that you float to work on air without using a single publicly funded road, that you have found health care professionals who attended private schools from kindergarten on and made it through medical or professional training in only private colleges or universities, strictly on Daddy's money and that you only eat food which was raised or grown in foreign countries? You bet!

At least I contributed to the system - probably far more than I will ever get back from it - and if you get brownie points for paying other taxes, then so do I.

We've had more than enough politically inspired violence in this country. If you don't want people to call you on it, you shouldn't throw threats of blood shed around so lightly.

Maybe you should just go down and spit on a few of our soldiers returning from the Gulf. I'm sure that would win you lots of votes just as long as you don't use a publicly funded road to go meet their plane.

I drive on public roads that I PAY FOR in taxes, every time I fill my gas tank (though the toll roads are in far better shape and reasonable in price). Children go to public schools that I PAY FOR with property taxes and local sales taxes. Most of the produce I buy is from other countries because America pays farmers NOT to grow food. But even the food that is grown and subsidized here is subsidized against my will. Why should I pay for something I don't want, don't need, and certainly wouldn't use if given a choice? But even these subsidies are paid for by me in the form of tariffs. Remember I'm not against taxes, I'm against INCOME taxes and against any taxes to pay for unconstitutional parts of government.

I don't make that promise lightly. I hope we can return America peacefully to a constitutional republic but it's not looking good. And if it comes to it, I will kill in my defense. I certainly don't want this to happen. I would be far happier if government would just willingly give up the powers they have usurped, and remove the unconstitutional parts of government willingly. But how likely do you think that is to happen? Despots never give up power willingly, so it's up to those of us who still love America and still respect the principles on which this nation was built to do what is necessary to remind government that they are the servants and we are the masters and that nobody is entitled to anything based on their wants or needs.

I am just curious where you are getting your info that most of the produce we eat is grown in other countries? As of a few years ago California alone grew 60% of the produce and grain that America ate. They also accounted for 54% of the dairy products, approximately 25-30% of the meat and something like 39% of the cotton grown in this country. And that was just California, there are many other states producing food for this country. So I am genuinely curious where you got this data from as I am interested in seeing how that trend might have changed.

Yup, I remember the gravy bread. I still love that stuff. Anybody remember potato chip sandwiches? Talk about getting creative with those...and of course EVERYONE remembers fried bologna sandwiches!

I remember banana and mayonaise sandwiches from childhood. Call me whatever but I still like them. :)

And LS, don't stay gone so long next time.

I know that the great majority of produce we get in the US is grown elsewhere *during the winter months*, but during the growing season, most everything I see at the store is domestic. Apples, especially, keep well in storage, so you get American apples year-round.

Largely, it depends on type of produce and time of year.

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Radar attempts to take the moral high ground when all he has is a slippery slope. He is doing exactly what he accuses the Federal government of doing and expects the rest of us to sign off on it. Since Radar pays no income taxes, I and every other tax paying American, get to foot the bill so that Radar can drive to his tax free job everyday. The rest of us get to pay the bill for the food Radar puts on his table and which he got at a lower price thanks to Federal agricultural assistance programs. Any health care Radar recieves will be from professionals whose schooling you and I helped pay for through the public education system and government backed college tuition loans. When Radar’s wife comes to this country to set up nail shops, Radar will no doubt make use of government subsidized small business and minority owned business loans to help her set up shop. You and I will pay for this. Radar will not.



Blackdamnit! Yet another person I'm forced to pay for!

quote:I don’t recall authorizing Radar to be a leech at my expense. If anyone is taking advantage of me, it is Radar, far more than the Federal government. To add insult to injury, Radar wants to wrest my SSDI money away from me at the point of a gun.



Fuck that dumb shit. He wants us to pay for his shit and THEN have the nerve to take our money away, and THEN is willing to kill us beause we don't agree???


quote:This is my own money which I paid into the system over a life time of hard work. Yet Radar feels free to take it from me and threatens me with murder if I protest. Bottom line, there is no difference between Radar’s actions as an individual and the actions he percieves the government of being guilty of. If anything, Radar is even more of a thief. At least I have the option of writing my congressman. I doubt if Radar will give us the address of his accountant.



BAM! End of story, good night, thanks for playing!




YEAH!! What THEY said!!

Seriously though, Radar....you're wacked. Breathe...or something.... In the immortal words of SOMEBODY from the Cellar, I forget who, "Dude, shut the fuck up. No, really. Shut the fuck up" (That one's simple, but beautiful, and I wanted to use it just once *g*).

The violence with which you espouse your Libertarianesque ideas is alarming. Honey, I've been on the receiving end of The Sharp Tongues of The Cellar, but never once, no matter how upset I got over it, did I resort to namecalling to get my point across, which you do quite often. Seems to me that if you weren't feeling threatened, you wouldn't be calling names.
Not to mention this willingness to kill over what you perceive as theft *shakes head*

Others have already contradicted you over and over concerning your...um, whatever it is you're frothing about, so I'm not going to bother. I just finished reading 15 pages of this stuff and my eyes are starting to cross...it's like reading the sermon of a fundamentalist preacher...no matter how much you prove him wrong, he's still going to insist that Satan planted the fossils there to fool us.....



Sidhe

OOH! YES! I LOVE banana and mayo sandwiches!!


Domestic difficulties made it necessary to take a sabbatical...but thanks for the welcome back! :)

Sidhe

They go down smooth with Radar flavored Koolaid!


nyuk,nyuk, nyuk

:)

Only just noticed this.

Any increases in crime would be negligible? Based on what exactly? Do you have any source whatsoever for that 'fact'? Considering the bodies responsible for basically all large-scale criminal endeavors would be removed.

Would YOU trust a private company to certify a drug? Who's to say they didn't just pay them to pass it though, or skip some of the harder tests. We wouldn't even know for 10 years would we. As for suing them, what if they disappear, wouldn't be hard to set up a fly-by-night operation.

As for emissions, the IANA has little if any legal clout. Someone starts fucking up your mobile network (new business tactic, block your competitors network towers!) what are you gonna do?

You know if there wasn't a fair few nice people living in the states I'd almost like to see you come to power, just to watch America slowly descend into anarchy, the economy colapse and see what happens when the world once again has no superpower.

Yeah, wouldn't it be nice to see Radar stew in his own juices (or kool-aid, as the case might be)? Do you suppose Switzwerland might grant me political asylum?:thumb:

Jag, you anti american punk. Come over here and say that. You might as well be french.

Love to, but since I haven't been charged with anything, I'm not handing over my fingerprints.

Hey, I'm over here and I'll say it. Radar would deserve what he got, and so would the US if a majority of the voters were willing to follow Radar to their doom. Wanna turn me in to Homeland Security? The last I heard, we still had freedom of speech around here.

Besides, why should Jag be French when he can be Swiss instead? Some fun facts about Switzerland: Its a federal republic - the second oldest after the US. The literacy rate in Switzerland is 99%. The GND is $32,000 a year. No one in Switzerland lives below the poverty line. And guess what? They have a national income tax (whoops!).

so why don;t you move to switzerland, marichiko? It's like the size of Delaware, right? and moslty mountains? What do they have like 35 people in the whole country? As far as no one living below the poverty line goes, aren;t they a socialist economy?

Jag?

I've seriously considered it. My Mother is native born Swiss and I still have family there. However, I grew up in the US and this is my home. Yes, Switzerland has quite a few mountains, and its absolutely beautiful. However, its economy is industrially based and agriculture plays only a very small role.

The population is 7,262,372 (July 2000 est.). Switzerland is NOT a socialist country. As I stated before, its a federal republic - the second oldest in the world. Switzerland's system of representative government puts even the US to shame. The voters of each canton (that's state to us) get together and decide on policies and laws. Their wishes are then carried out on the federal or national level.

Radar, I'm no Constitutional scholar, so maybe I'm missing something here... but I can't see how you reason out that Income Tax is theft. The US Constitution explicitly allows for future Amendments in Article 5:
And Income Tax was added as an legal Constitutional Amendment in 1913 as Article 16:
If you're arguing that income tax is theft based on purely moral and/or philosophical grounds, then of course you are entitled to that opinion, but when you live in a democratic state and your opinion is not that of the majority, the only weapon you have any exercisable right to use is non-violent infuence. If you attempt to incite change, against the will of the people, with the aid of force, then it is you who are violating the natural rights of others, regardless of what you may think.

A large part of the government's purpose is to mediate the people, and when there is a difference in opinions or philosophies, no matter how strongly all of the individuals believe they are correct, the machine of democaracy will decide. By continuing to live within the boundaries of that democracy, every person agrees to abide by it.

Or, to use an argument similar to yours... this country is the property of the people of the United States. The people have democratically elected a goverment, and have entrusted that government to create and uphold laws to promote justice and equality for all. If that government takes any action which is objectionable to the people-- who own this country-- it is the responsibility of the people to rectify that through the democratioc process. But as long as the people still entrust governing power to this government, any person who lives in this country and violates the laws of this country is violating the natural rights of the people of the United States.

I think the government has many, many problems, but it could be much worse, and I still have hope that the democratic process will slowly erode away many of the problems over time. If the goverment itself were to ever attempt to remove the democratic power from the people, I'll be right there next to you fighting to win the peoples' country back. But as it is, you're making threats to people who are living by the very Constitution which you claim to hold so dear.

plus, they have lots of blonde hotties!

You bet! Even us half Swiss are knock-outs (she said, modestly)!

Whoa nellie! The produce is possible but the grain can't be true. Anyone that's driven through the wheat fields of Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, the Dakotas, etc would have a hard time with that. Besides, isn't California the land of fruits and nuts? :)

And Income Tax was added as an legal Constitutional Amendment in 1913 as Article 16:


If Radar returns to this thread he'll prolly question whether the 16th was properly ratified. Proper or not they will come take your stuff.

I was lumping fruits, nuts, vegetables and grain into one large clump, so the 60% I quoted includes all the above. California is one of the largest produces of Soy which is considered a grain. Nebraska and the Dakotas do produce a large amount of corn and wheat but you have to remember that just because corn is being grown doesn't mean its going to be eaten by humans. Around 54% of the grain grown in this country goes into animal food (dog food, horse grain, cattle feed, chicken scratch, etc.).
The number I stated were from 2000 but at that time they were accurate. I had to do a report in collage on it for my agricultural science class, so i had to dig up all that data from the USDA.

I ruled out the corn as high as an elephants eye because I realize it's mostly animal chow. But hundreds of miles of wheat, oats, millet and rice are hard to discount.:)