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OnyxCougar 12-03-2003 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by SteveDallas

So did you have it done eventually??? I have to admit I'm shocked. I can sort of see the reluctance to perform irreversible sterilization on a teenager. But a grown woman? Refusing to tie her tubes if she doesn't have kids because she might decide she wants some later is meddling, IMO. Refusing a woman who already has 2 kids and doesn't want any more is just plain damn idiotic.

IMO.

A year after they wouldn't let my tie my tubes I pregnant with Piglet. The first OB appointment, the doctor said,
"Hello, I'm Major Marshall, your primary doctor."
I said,
"Hello, after I deliver, my tubes will be tied. I don't care if you burn them, tie them in a bow, cut them, or chew them out. I want to be sterile. OK?"
He blinked at me a second and asked me how many children I had. I said, "Look. I'm 27 and I have 2 children and 4 pregnancies behind me. I want this one to be the last one. Are you listening to me?"
He nodded.
"Good. Now do you want this cup of pee or do I give it to the nurse?"


I had Piglet and the following day, my tubes were tied.

elSicomoro 12-03-2003 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by april


Bf, ass.

Baby cuter than ever.

Okay...maybe you didn't quite understand what I was asking, so I'll try again.

If I recall correctly, you said you currently lived with your mom, your baby and your boyfriend. Are you taking your child with you when you move? And, is your boyfriend going to have to find someplace else to live after you leave Texas?

april 12-04-2003 07:53 AM

My baby is staying with my mom.
My bf will go back to El Salvador or stay at my house. NO

lumberjim 12-04-2003 08:09 AM

how the hell do you leave your baby with your mom? wtf? i think that's really really lame of you to do that to her.

april 12-04-2003 08:16 AM

Something happened, I won't share that on this forum.

FileNotFound 12-04-2003 08:34 AM

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Originally posted by april
Something happened, I won't share that on this forum.
Oh oh...not going for another cutie are you?

april 12-04-2003 08:36 AM

No thats not it.

Its just that we have alot of fights at me house, and another thing, can't say won't say.

FileNotFound 12-04-2003 08:48 AM

What your BF is fucking about making other cuties all by himself and you feel left out?

april 12-04-2003 09:00 AM

Hes just using me to have a place to live.

OnyxCougar 12-04-2003 09:19 AM

OK, forgive me if I've missed something in the gazillion pages of this thread, but I would like a little clarification:


You have a baby. What is her name (just to make it easy. if you want to give us a fake name that's fine, just stickwith it.)? Is the El Savadoran still your bf, and is he your daughter's father? And now that your daughter is with your mother, do you still have unprotected sex? Is the El Salvadoran a legal immigrant? Also, there is mention of you moving to Texas. Who all is moving and are you going to take your daughter back from your mother once you get there? When is the move planned? Is the bf going too? Why haven't you kicked him out if he's not your boyfriend?

I realize this is all none of my business, but since you've posted about your personal items, I'd just like clarification in one post, so I don't have to wade through 938501325098 pages of argument in 4 threads.



FileNotFound 12-04-2003 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by april
Hes just using me to have a place to live.

So why are you giving him a place to live if he won't even buy you condoms?

april 12-04-2003 12:52 PM

OK!!!!!!

This is how its goes.

My b/f is From El Salvador and he is legal. Little " April" ( thats what I'll say as her name) is staying IN TEXAS with my mom. I'm moving to COLORADO! My b/f won't buy condoms b/c HE says they are to much $$ which is bs so I stopped having sex with him.


I'm leaving to go to Colorado in January, I will come back once the school year is up.


ANYTHING ELSE????

lumberjim 12-04-2003 12:56 PM

uh, yeah.....could you please stop talking about yourself soon?

april 12-04-2003 12:57 PM

Ok, well I was just answering a question.



How are your friends, family and everyone doing?

No its not being sarcastic. Really.

perth 12-04-2003 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by april
ANYTHING ELSE????
Not sure. Will you continue to answer absolutely every personal question thrown your way? You really need to learn to keep your private life private.

I've refrained form asking this, because I don't want to come off as an asshole, but here goes.

Why exactly do you keep coming here when every time you post you're berated, insulted or ignored?

FileNotFound 12-04-2003 01:02 PM

And your bf is doing what?

Why is he still your bf?

Can you force him to pay child support? (I have NO idea how that works)

kerosene 12-04-2003 01:07 PM

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Why exactly do you keep coming here when every time you post you're berated, insulted or ignored?
Sometimes, a person needs attention so badly, that he/she actually encourages negative attention, since it is apparent that positive attention will not be given. You know people like that, perth. :)

But I am also curious to see how April responds.

april 12-04-2003 01:10 PM

I REALLY don't care what people think about me. If you want to insult me go ahead. I've learned to not get hurt when someone on the internet bashes you.

lumberjim 12-04-2003 01:12 PM

perth, it's because even negative attention is still attention....

she's a vacuum

lumberjim 12-04-2003 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by april
I've learned to not get hurt when someone on the internet bashes you.
practice, practice

perth 12-04-2003 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by april
I REALLY don't care what people think about me. If you want to insult me go ahead. I've learned to not get hurt when someone on the internet bashes you.
You didn't answer the question.

kerosene 12-04-2003 01:14 PM

But that really doesn't answer the question...why do you post? What could you possibly get out of it?

april 12-04-2003 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by perth

Not sure. Will you continue to answer absolutely every personal question thrown your way? You really need to learn to keep your private life private.

I've refrained form asking this, because I don't want to come off as an asshole, but here goes.

Why exactly do you keep coming here when every time you post you're berated, insulted or ignored?

No, I won't and b/c I have nothing else to do this is fun.

FileNotFound 12-04-2003 01:17 PM

You could read Grouphugs all day...


Oh and I do want my questions answered....

Or for you to just go away...

kerosene 12-04-2003 01:18 PM

Isn't school something else to do? I have to wonder what kind of class allows students to sit in front of a computer all day and play around.

I never enjoyed chemistry or algebra, but I would think that kind of dry material would be better than posting random comments on a message board and receiving a barrage of insults in return.

lumberjim 12-04-2003 01:19 PM

i'm so goddamn cold!
 
the main heater for our showroom and sales offices had a gas leak, and they turned it off. Parts are on back order, so we're looking at monday or tues before they fix the friggin thing......so I'm sitting here at my desk shivering and wearing my coat. i can almost see my breath.

fuck!

Beestie 12-04-2003 01:20 PM

I think asking why april puts up with the abuse is a fair question. What does that say about april?

And not to be a killjoy or anything but why so many in this forum continue to take delight in focusing such unbridled hostility on this child is also a relevant question (to me if no one else, anyway).

FileNotFound 12-04-2003 01:21 PM

That almost reminds me of getting in my car this morning.

I hate cold cars.

I hate that I don't really have the $500 to invest in a remote starter.

Oh well thank god for synthetic oil...I'd kill myself if I had to warm that car up.

FileNotFound 12-04-2003 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by Beestie
I think asking why april puts up with the abuse is a fair question. What does that say about april?

And not to be a killjoy or anything but why so many in this forum continue to take delight in focusing such unbridled hostility on this child is also a relevant question (to me if no one else, anyway).

Quit calling her a damn child...geez.

She's got a freaking child herself. She's mature enough to have kids, then she's mature enough to be considered an adult.

lumberjim 12-04-2003 01:23 PM

dude, i can get you a remote starter for $299. really ....i got it for jinx last xmas( well, the kids did) and it's worth it.....right jinx?

april 12-04-2003 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by case
Isn't school something else to do? I have to wonder what kind of class allows students to sit in front of a computer all day and play around.

I never enjoyed chemistry or algebra, but I would think that kind of dry material would be better than posting random comments on a message board and receiving a barrage of insults in return.

Its called "STUDY HALL"
I don't have homework so I go on the computer.

Beestie 12-04-2003 01:29 PM

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Quit calling her a damn child...geez.
I'm not feeling sorry for her - she can either stick up for herself or leave - she's not captive.

I'm asking what pleasure some are deriving from abusing her? There's an implicit question right behind that one, too.

FileNotFound 12-04-2003 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by april


Its called "STUDY HALL"
I don't have homework so I go on the computer.


Tried reading a book longer than 42 pages?


On and Beestie...

You see April represents everything I hate about the idiotic teen mothers of today. Thats why I am an ass to her. Oh sure she's not the worst kind there is, but still pretty damn bad...I don't like having her around.
I want her to leave.

You may say "Well to do that you just have to ignore her.".

Yet if I ignore her it'll just be people who feel sorry for her stupidy and post "Oh April I know you're doing the right thing. Just do what you feel is right and everything will be ok! You're doing great!"

That will certainly not make her leave.

If I can turn everyone agaisnt her then she will no longer feel welcome and the negative attention isn't as pleasent or bearable as some may think.

On the other hand I am somewhat curious to see how her messed up mind works.

FileNotFound 12-04-2003 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by lumberjim
dude, i can get you a remote starter for $299. really ....i got it for jinx last xmas( well, the kids did) and it's worth it.....right jinx?
$300 is still a lot. $500 is the viper one with the security system and all the other neat toys...

jinx 12-04-2003 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by lumberjim
dude, i can get you a remote starter for $299. really ....i got it for jinx last xmas( well, the kids did) and it's worth it.....right jinx?
Yes. Quite.

Happy Monkey 12-04-2003 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by FileNotFound
Can you force him to pay child support? (I have NO idea how that works)
In this case it sounds like it would work about as well as getting blood from a stone.

kerosene 12-04-2003 01:47 PM

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And not to be a killjoy or anything but why so many in this forum continue to take delight in focusing such unbridled hostility on this child is also a relevant question (to me if no one else, anyway).
Yes, it is a relevant question (child or not).

I wanted to know why she endures the abuse (willingly) because I actually find the fact that she does sort of disturbing.

As FnF asked, why would she not read a good book (or a bad one for that matter) instead of this? Why would she not take an interest in bettering her situation in some way? To me, this represents an attitude all too prevalent with younger people, which quite frankly, causes me to wonder "what's in the damned water, these days?"

So I would say, my interest in the situation isn't that of berating or abusing april. I feel the need to gain an understanding of why she does what she does, partially out of morbid curiosity and partially because it might answer some of my questions about where our teenagers are coming from. Am I really that out of touch, already?

FileNotFound 12-04-2003 01:50 PM

It's obviously because this doesn't require thought and it's 'work'

Idiots tend to think of 'reading' anything as 'tedious' and 'work'.

Remember she wants to be a gfx designer and make the big bucks?

Yeah I can see that happeneing. She's using all her free time to study and learn gfx applications. Remember how she said that she didn't like Adobe Photoshop and prefered Ms Photo or something like that? Now that was funny...

vsp 12-04-2003 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by FileNotFound
If I can turn everyone agaisnt her then she will no longer feel welcome and the negative attention isn't as pleasent or bearable as some may think.
Last time I checked, "everyone" is quite capable of making up his or her own mind about April, you, or anyone else.

When posters are ass-achingly annoying, other posters tend to respond accordingly. Whether you, April, both or neither fall into that category is left as an exercise for the reader.

FileNotFound 12-04-2003 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by vsp


Last time I checked, "everyone" is quite capable of making up his or her own mind about April, you, or anyone else.

When posters are ass-achingly annoying, other posters tend to respond accordingly. Whether you, April, both or neither fall into that category is left as an exercise for the reader.


Oh sure. You can say that about anything. Like political candidates for example.

But yet they all invest in campaigns. Why?

In order to dig up the dirt on somebody and use that dirt to shape the opinions of others. Duh.

Nothing wrong with that. You're free to make your own opinion and I'm free to attempt to slant them in any way I wish by any means I wish.

Beestie 12-04-2003 01:58 PM

I guess I might as well get to the point.

My opinion is that what we have here is a good, ole fashioned, online abusive relationship.

FileNotFound 12-04-2003 02:04 PM

Umm...no

Abusive relationships are characterized by extreme jealousy, emotional withholding, lack of intimacy, raging, sexual coercion, infidelity, verbal abuse, threats, lies, broken promises, physical violence, power plays and control games.

But overall it involves 2 ppl who have a RELATIONSHIP.

There is no relationship.

What you have is me generously handing out emotional abuse and April comming back for more.

perth 12-04-2003 02:04 PM

Apologies for not keeping up with the conversation, things got busy here in real life.
Quote:

April said: b/c I have nothing else to do this is fun.
Fun. I can't imagine that being a well though-out or truthful answer. Which means one of three things:

1. You meant it, and you're as stupid as FnF thinks.

or...

2. You meant it, and you're a troll.

or...

3. You didn't mean it, and you're still evading the question.

Pick one ("None of the above" is implied, but requires an essay-style answer).

april 12-04-2003 02:07 PM

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FileNotFound 12-04-2003 02:08 PM

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She's just here because she's got nowhere else to go due to the firewalls. This board is her only possible source of entertainment at school.

Posted by me on 11/17/03

It's that simple.

Beestie 12-04-2003 02:20 PM

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She's just here because she's got nowhere else to go due to the firewalls. This board is her only possible source of entertainment at school.
I can help with that: she can tunnel to another site either through Here or through Here .

april 12-04-2003 02:21 PM

Sorry those are blocked by my school.

juju 12-04-2003 02:29 PM

Sure they are.

FileNotFound 12-04-2003 02:29 PM

What about
http://grouphug.us


I mean you'd SOOO fit in...

Beestie 12-04-2003 02:29 PM

2 choices:

1. Google anonymous web surfing and find one that isn't blocked.

2. Find a hacker in your school and ask.

Dagney 12-04-2003 02:34 PM

Have you considered the possibilty that sites are blocked by your school because they'd rather you do something constructive?

Not saying that things here aren't always constructive, but I can think of MANY things that a young, unemployed, teen mother should be doing instead of puttering around on a discussion forum.

You said you don't have a job. I'd be looking for one - libraries have newspapers - read one.

You said you have a daughter. Do you know everything there is to know about being a good parent? (Trick question, no one ever will), but I'd be reading up on it if I had to.

You said you want to get ahead in life - to be a Graphic Designer. Log off of the cellar, and pick up a book, or open a graphics program and get to work. The world won't hand you a pay check just because your daughter is cute.

Contrary to what you may believe, life is not handed to you. You must work for it. This is not some reality show where you will be rescued from an island of single motherhood and put smack dab in the middle of the 'good life'. Sorry, time to wake up and smell the enfamil.

Children often copy what they see when they grow up. Do you want LittleApril to be an unwed teen mother with no desire to be anything in life?

And you said it's hard to find a job. It's the holidays - there are retail jobs everywhere, and burgers always need flipped. It's easier to find a good job when you already HAVE a job, so get off your ass and stop making excuses. You have a daughter to support, even if you're pushing her off on your mom to move to Colorado. She's not your mother's responsibility - because I'll bet your first pay check against my next pay check that she wasn't in the back seat of that car when the child was conceived.

Dagney

FileNotFound 12-04-2003 02:38 PM

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It's the holidays - there are retail jobs everywhere, and burgers always need flipped.
That's a fact. A friend of mine pretty much got a Sales Ass job at Macy's in the span of 20 minutes.

Walk in. Fill out an app. Say hello to manager. Bam hired.

vsp 12-04-2003 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by FileNotFound

Oh sure. You can say that about anything. Like political candidates for example.

But yet they all invest in campaigns. Why?

In order to dig up the dirt on somebody and use that dirt to shape the opinions of others. Duh.

Nothing wrong with that. You're free to make your own opinion and I'm free to attempt to slant them in any way I wish by any means I wish.

Let me phrase it another way, then.

This board isn't an election or a popularity contest. I haven't seen anyone named Prom King or Queen over the nine years I've been posting to it, and I don't expect it to happen any time soon.

I may feel that April is an interesting newcomer with entertaining stories to tell about her life to date. Or I may feel that April is a mewling twat who should be flung into a dumpster. Or I may not have strong opinions about April, one way or the other. Which is it? Ah, but that would be telling, and it's not all that relevant.

What I will say is that mounting a one-man propaganda campaign is very likely to annoy the living bugshit out of a lot of people <i>whether or not they agreed with you in the first place</i>. If I needed someone to tell me how I should be thinking and who's unclean and should be shunned, Amish country's about a half-an-hour down the road from me.

Ease up. Relax. Have some dip. "Let's you and her fight" games are high school bullshit and get boring very quickly.

perth 12-04-2003 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by vsp

This board isn't an election or a popularity contest. I haven't seen anyone named Prom King or Queen over the nine years I've been posting to it, and I don't expect it to happen any time soon.

Prom King/Queen's first post in 5... 4... 3... 2...

Happy Monkey 12-04-2003 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by juju
Sure they are.
Do you mean to suggest that censorware doesn't add anonymyzers to their block lists as fast as they can find them?

kerosene 12-04-2003 02:55 PM

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Prom King/Queen's first post in 5... 4... 3... 2...
Does this mean Happy Monkey won the election? :D

Happy Monkey 12-04-2003 02:57 PM

I don't see why not.

-- Prom Grand Vizier

jinx 12-04-2003 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by case

causes me to wonder "what's in the damned water, these days?"


Fluoride usually. It's interesting how similar the words "fluoride" and "Fluoxetine" are isn't it?

lumberjim 12-04-2003 04:33 PM

Fluoxetine = PROZAC


you learn something every day

lumberjim 12-04-2003 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vsp




This board isn't an election or a popularity contest.


well, that takes most of the fun out of it for me, then......and I thought I was winning. shit!

Quote:

Originally posted by vsp

April is a mewling twat who should be flung into a dumpster.


you,sir, have a way with words.


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