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lookout123 03-24-2009 12:01 PM

I think he'll have a terminal illness and be gone within three years. His kids turned him in so they wouldn't get charged.

Trilby 03-24-2009 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 549013)
I think he'll have a terminal illness and be gone within three years. His kids turned him in so they wouldn't get charged.

That's a good prediction, lookout. He probably IS ill...right now.

LabRat 03-24-2009 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 549013)
I think he'll have a terminal illness and be gone within three years.


[Church] Well, isn't that conveeeeenient. [/Lady]

classicman 03-24-2009 12:29 PM

at least we'll save a few bucks not having to keep him alive.

Shawnee123 03-24-2009 12:51 PM

Oh no, you're not seriously wishing a terminal illness on anyone, are you? :eyebrow:

lookout123 03-24-2009 01:13 PM

Nope. I think he already has something and knows it. The scam was coming to an end and he figured he's going to croak so they hid any evidence the boys knew about the scam and then had them turn him in. They get away and he goes to prison for a little while before his ticket is punched.

i'm not a conspiracy guy, but this one makes sense to me.

Shawnee123 03-24-2009 01:15 PM

Well that does make some sense. He'll live out his days at Club Fed.

lookout123 03-24-2009 01:16 PM

and you get to pay for his medical care in his final days. he gets the last laugh.

ZenGum 03-25-2009 12:09 AM

Damn, screwed again!

xoxoxoBruce 03-25-2009 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 549013)
I think he'll have a terminal illness and be gone within three years.

Or Bubba will give him aids.

Shawnee123 03-25-2009 07:14 AM

In Club Fed, it will be Biffy who gives him aids.

TheMercenary 03-25-2009 12:41 PM

He is not eligible for incarceration at a white-collar crimes prison according to one of the talking head DA's on the tube.

classicman 04-06-2009 02:34 PM

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lookout123 04-06-2009 02:35 PM

That's freaking great.

classicman 05-28-2009 08:51 PM

UPDATE

Bloomberg has a special section on their site dedicated specifically to the Madoff case for those of you who would like to follow what is happening with this situation.

xoxoxoBruce 05-30-2009 04:39 AM

I don't understand why people (hedge funds, banks, etc) that pulled their money out of Madoff's fund before it imploded, are being sued to give it back?
Should people that sold their real estate holdings before the bubble burst have to return the money?

classicman 06-05-2009 01:56 PM

Cheaters to prey on Bernard Madoff
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“Whatever (Madoff hid) offshore, I think he’s going to get cheated out of,” Markopolos told a conference yesterday at Boston College, his graduate-school alma mater.

“If I’m his private banker in Panama, (I’m thinking): ‘I know Mr. Madoff isn’t getting out of prison to collect the money, and I know his family denies having anything to do with this scheme, so they’re not going to show up, either. So guess what: It’s my money now.’ I call that ‘cheating the cheater’ - and that’s sort of poetic justice, I think.”

classicman 06-05-2009 02:01 PM

"How many of Bernie's investors would oppose his waterboarding to get to the truth ? "

Shawnee123 06-05-2009 02:02 PM

So, there's like money floating around in the ocean, off the shore?

(grabs scuba gear and books a flight)

xoxoxoBruce 06-06-2009 04:03 AM

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The victim's can get a discount.

ZenGum 06-06-2009 05:00 AM

LOL!
Ahh, the free market, for all its problems, I still love it.

tw 06-06-2009 11:35 AM

Does this thread die for two years when the trial starts?

Or will he die before that?

classicman 06-06-2009 12:36 PM

Yeh Zen - I wonder what town that sign was from. Capitalism is the greatest!

ZenGum 06-06-2009 08:09 PM

I'd only say, capitalism is less screwed up than a central command economy.

classicman 06-29-2009 11:12 AM

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Bernard Madoff gets maximum 150 years in prison
10 minutes ago
By TOM HAYS and LARRY NEUMEISTER
Associated Press Writers

(AP:NEW YORK) Convicted swindler Bernard Madoff was sentenced to 150 years in prison Monday for fraud so extensive that the judge said he needed to send a symbolic message to those who might imitate his fraud and to victims who need relief.

Applause broke out in the crowded Manhattan courtroom after U.S. District Judge Denny Chin issued the maximum sentence to the 71-year-old defendant, who said he sought no forgiveness and knew he must live "with this pain, this torment, for the rest of my life."

Chin rejected a request by Madoff's lawyer for leniency and said he disagreed that victims of the fraud were seeking mob vengeance.

"Here the message must be sent that Mr. Madoff's crimes were extraordinarily evil and that this kind of manipulation of the system is not just a bloodless crime that takes place on paper, but one instead that takes a staggering toll," Chin said.

The judge said the estimate that Madoff has cost his victims more than $13 billion was conservative because it did not include money from feeder funds.

"Objectively speaking, the fraud here was staggering," he said.

Before Chin announced the sentence, Madoff, wearing a dark suit, white shirt and a tie, sat and listened as emotional witnesses described how he spoiled their security.

"Life has been a living hell. It feels like the nightmare we can't wake from," said Carla Hirshhorn.

"He stole from the rich. He stole from the poor. He stole from the in between. He had no values," said Tom Fitzmaurice. "He cheated his victims out of their money so he and his wife Ruth could live a life of luxury beyond belief."

Dominic Ambrosino called it an "indescribably heinous crime" and urged a long prison sentence so "will know he is imprisoned in much the same way he imprisoned us and others."

He added: "In a sense, I would like somebody in the court today to tell me how long is my sentence."

"The sheer scale of the fraud calls for severe punishment," the prosecutors wrote.

The jailed Madoff already has taken a severe financial hit: Last week, a judge issued a preliminary $171 billion forfeiture order stripping Madoff of all his personal property, including real estate, investments, and $80 million in assets his wife Ruth had claimed were hers. The order left her with $2.5 million.
Thats 2.49999999 million too much to me.

classicman 06-30-2009 08:26 AM

Finally the next phase has begun. There are many more to follow after this first round.

10 others to be charged in Madoff probe

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NEW YORK (AP) - Federal authorities are pressing a probe of 10 associates of Bernard Madoff despite a sentence that means the mastermind of one of the biggest financial frauds in history will spend the rest of his days behind bars, The Associated Press has learned.

The person, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing, wouldn't detail potential charges or say whether the 10 would include Madoff's family or former employees. So far, only Madoff and an accountant accused of failing to make basic auditing checks have been criminally charged in the multibillion-dollar hoax.

In court Monday, the 71-year-old Madoff admitted it was impossible for him to excuse deeds that U.S. District Judge Denny Chin noted had cost investors $13.2 billion by conservative estimates and $50 billion by the estimate Madoff gave his sons in December.

"I don't ask any forgiveness," Madoff told Chin. "Although I may not have intended harm, I did a great deal of harm."

Later, he turned around to look at the victims lining the first row of the gallery.

"I will turn and face you," he said mechanically. "I'm sorry. I know that doesn't help you."

The judge then took his turn.

"This is not just a matter of money," Chin said. "The breach of trust was massive. Investors—individuals, charities, pension funds, institutional clients—were repeatedly lied to, as they were told their monies would be invested in stocks when they were not."

TheMercenary 06-30-2009 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 571119)

I love it! To bad he got it through cheating others. But hey, I wouldn't put it past some of them to make the money disappear.

sugarpop 06-30-2009 03:35 PM

Personally, I think he should be put to death. In fact, I think that should be the new penalty for white collar crime. For one thing, it does A LOT more damage to a LOT more people than violent criminals, and those people really just never have any remorse, well, beyond being caught that is. Maybe it would be a deterrant once a few of those Wall Street execs were seen hanging from the big board with their eyes popping out of their heads.

classicman 06-30-2009 05:05 PM

You should move to the middle east - seriously.

TheMercenary 06-30-2009 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 578807)
You should move to the middle east - seriously.

Wait now. She might have to wear a Burka. Then life might not be so rosy.

sugarpop 07-02-2009 09:36 PM

Good grief. It was a joke. I don't believe in the death penalty.

joelnwil 07-05-2009 09:17 AM

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classicman 03-12-2010 09:11 PM

Bump...

Where Are They Now?

Elspode 03-13-2010 05:58 PM

Madoff is the worst kind of scum. Having his flesh flayed from his bones with a rubber hose is too kind for him.

richlevy 03-14-2010 03:50 PM

Well, the irony here is that if Mr. Madoff had screwed over middle and working class victims, when he got out he would still be welcome at the country/yacht club. Since he screwed over his peers, he's never going to get out and would be a pariah if he did.

For an amoral person the lessons are 'pick your targets' and 'never crap where you eat'.

By comparison, the architect of Foundation for New Era, a $500 million dollar pyramid scheme in the Philadelphia area that targeted charities was only given a 12 year sentence and server about 10.

Granted, part of this may be that charities that had made 'profits' pooled their assets which recouped most of the money.

tw 03-14-2010 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspode (Post 640685)
Madoff is the worst kind of scum. Having his flesh flayed from his bones with a rubber hose is too kind for him.

Madoff is only another example of what happens when the purpose of a company is profits. No different than the Mafia whose purpose is exactly same.

Why is Madoff any different than the top executives of GM or the entire corporate structure in Lehman Bros or Enron or AIG? These companies also did what so many Americans advocate only because they were told to believe it.

ZenGum 03-15-2010 12:50 AM

Madoff told explicit lies - claimed to have made trades that he hadn't, claimed to own shares etc that he didn't, etc.
The motives of Lehman etc were much the same, but a few small but significant points of method seem to matter - at least to some.

tw 03-15-2010 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 640981)
The motives of Lehman etc were much the same, but a few small but significant points of method seem to matter - at least to some.

What is the difference between Enron accounting by Madoff and Enron accounting by Lehman Bros. Lehman began overt lying on the spread sheets in 2001. And their accountants (Ernest and Young?) were aware of it.

Madoff was done by a few people. Lehman Bros was done by hundreds in a major corporation. Other than that, what is the difference? Both were intentionally lying and stealing massive sums with an attitude of entitlement. Enron accounting is still ongoing – all but legal. Complete with massive rewards to those most complicit.

classicman 02-07-2011 07:28 PM

An interactive map of the Madoff investors ...
Man - look at Long Island.

http://madoffmap.com/


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