I'm scared. call a pro.

one vote pro.

How hard can it be? Of course, if you make a mistake, the house will blow up. I know the urge to do it yourself, but that's not something I would do.

Yeah, just this once, hiring a pro for a few hundred bucks might be a good idea.

Like with a car - I'll fool with the body work and minor fittings, and on older cars even have a go at the engine, but I always got a pro to fix the brakes. Screw them up and I could die.

Hah! Brakes are super easy. I'll do brakes. But I'm afraid of gas pipes. I have a hard enough time with water pipes. Gas is under less pressure, but for God's sake man, it's gas!

It's not very difficult, iron pipe up through the floor, a gas cock(valve), then standard flex gas stove supply so you can hook it up then move the stove in place, and a drop for water trap at the stove or below the floor.

The is very low pressure so you can check for leaks with soup bubbles or a match. I'd recommend the soap. ;)

Now, here's where it can get tricky. You've got three gas eaters, furnace, stove and dryer. Each one has a BTU rating, which requires a certain amount of gas.
The pipe from the stove to the dryer has to supply enough gas so the dryer doesn't run short and flame out.
The pipe from the furnace to the stove has to carry enough to supply the stove AND the dryer.
The pipe into the furnace has to supply the furnace AND the stove AND the dryer.
That's with all three running balls out,(burners & oven on the stove) plus a little to spare.

Since you can't do much with the pressure, it's pretty much down to volume(pipe size). There's a very good chance the guy who installed the piping took that into account, as he did leave a stub for a stove. So unless you bought an outrageous gas hog stove that uses way more than normal, you're probably good.

I'm working on the assumption that when you say, " I called someone to extend the gas service...", it was a pro and not your buddy's niece's boyfriend. Also that the gas company inspected the work, which most require... if they know.

I don't want to freak you out about doing the install, just make you aware of all the players. This may have been clear as mud, but it covers the ground.

Recently in the UK a house blew up and took half the street with it, killing a little boy that was inside. The guy who fitted the gas boiler is on a manslaughter charge.

Don't mess with gas stuff. Get a professional.

Thanks all, sincerely. The decision has been made in favor of DIY. This is likely to surprise no one, except perhaps the other people on my half of the block. Then again, they got an eyefull of me every day for a few weeks when I put the roof on awhile back. I intend to keep the roof on through this project.

A new DIY thread with a construction photojournal to come. Unless you hear a boom followed by sirens.

At the moment, I have the pipes measured, cut, and threaded. The gas to the house has been turned off at the meter. I've just taken a break for lunch (prepared by Twil, yum!) and now I return to work.

I'll check in as I can. I expect the project to be done by dinner time. There's no hot water until I'm done. See you all soon.

I usually see Ts close to the tank and individual copper lines to the various appliances. Never seen appliances in sequence

That's for propane, natural gas is often sequenced if it's an efficient layout.

Right. It's been decades since I lived anywhere with natural gas. "...turned off at the meter..." should have been a clue.

Heck, move to somewhere with Coal Seam Gas and draw it straight out of your tap water. ;)

I hope V has researched the different kinds of "pipes".
e.g., Steel vs black iron, especially the part about leaks at the connections, etc.

Is Scotland a real country?

I suppose. I mean, we let Canada be a country.

Kidding. I kid.

I just saw that link. Missed that post before.

As a DIY, I find links like that incredibly frustrating. It actually makes me a little angry. It's obviously written by someone who has no idea what they are talking about. It reads like an essay question on a test where the student doesn't remotely know the answer and just breaks out the shovel and starts tossing the manure.

Really? There are pipes under the sink and in the wall too? Holy shit! That's helpful. I think it's the use of "ever-present" that annoys me the most. It's just stupid filler. The pipes damn well better be ever present. You wouldn't want them getting up and walking away.

They list some pipes they have heard about, but don't mention galvanized, copper, or newer pex, which together, probably make up 90% of the plumbing out there in existing homes.

Not helpful at all.

Yes, brief and superficial, but my reference was to this part of the article...

Repairing

Yeah. That's even worse. Domestic plumbing pipes are never welded. I don't know what they are talking about there. It's like they are comparing 10% of domestic plumbing situations with some industrial plumbing they heard of. And then they talk about fencing. Fencing! Like someone is maybe going to plumb their house with a bunch of fence posts. They say most houses today use PVC pipe. Ok. That's an actual fact they are giving, but PVC is most commonly used for the waste water pipes, not for the supply pipes. So that makes me wonder if they are talking about old cast iron sewer pipes.

It's just a jumble of poorly organized random bits of incomplete information.

They don't mention copper or pex anywhere in the whole article. Copper was king for a long time and is being phased out because of the cost, but is being replaced by pex (at least around here.) Neither are acceptable for gas, where the materials used by BigV are appropriate.

OK. Peace.

Peace.

I was getting a little worked up there. :o

Oh, you men and your pipes, what are we going to do with you?

;)

thanks Lamplighter for your concern. respectfully, I've found little good information from ehow.com. Even though that link says there could be leaks at the seams, another "black pipe" link on that very page says black pipe is preferred for gas because of its seamless construction. ehow just isn't very consistent or reliable in my experience.

For a project like this, I had two main research goals: one, to figure out how to do the project and two, to figure out what sources of information were reliable. I wind up doing both simultaneously. As I learn more about the how and why of the job, I can better judge the quality of the source of information. I consult lots of websites, my friends, clerks/salespeople in stores, not to mention my own eyes. In my basement, the gas comes into the house via iron pipe, for example.

I *did* read the article at your link, and a handful of others spawned from that link, so, thank you. Not all of ehow.com is junk, it just seems like it's been gathered and collated by a robot from aaaalll over the place.

Thanks again friends. :)

Mine too...

Just as in your set up, when we had our old "octopus" gas furnace replaced,
I asked that a gas line be extended so we could eventually add a gas water heater.
They used black iron pipe, and terminated it with a shut-off valve.
The workmen told they always used "black iron" pipes for natural gas.

Since when did America's hat become a country?
:D

c'mere. let me show you.


(no hobo's were harmed in this post)

No, but one apostrophe was brutally abused. ;)

Rightly so, a quarter of that link was wrong, a quarter misleading, and the other half missing. :rolleyes:

How did I miss this before? You wily plt, you. :p:

Could go into the What Is This thread, but it's here, so there.

I have occasionally seen this kind of display at the top of my browser, some chinese looking text that floats above the tabs, but can't be "touched" by my mouse pointer.

Any ideas what the fuck is going on here?

Looky:
Attachment 50053

For a long time Google thought I spoke Portuguese. It kept asking if I wanted to translate to Portuguese. I don't know why.

That looks kind of toolbar-ish. I wouldn't care for that. WTF?

I'll take Viruses and Bots for $500, Alex.

That's the most likely answer, maybe even the Daily Double.

The question remains, *what* malware is it and how do I get out from under it?

Free Chinese porn tool bar!

Correction IM, don't get MalwareBytes from Cnet, they do their own browser hijacking. Get it from ninite.com

I love ninite

OH, I didn't know that. I always thought CNET was on the up and up.

Sorry.

What does CNET actually do, or what is it that CNET does that ninite does not?

cnet usually bundles some shit you don't want with what you are actually after. ninite specifically does NOT do that. plus, you can get several things at once, and the updates are just a matter of re-running the instal file.

highly recommended.

CNET used to be good. But then their evil twin showed up and duct taped their mouth shut and threw them in the back of a van so they could take over. Now they load you up with malware.

It's sad, really.

Well I learned something new today. Thanks!

Why not go directly to Malwarebytes, he's a really nice guy.