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Happy Monkey 12-15-2006 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim
you misspelled dillusion

No, you did...

lumberjim 12-15-2006 12:15 PM

d'oh!

Elspode 12-15-2006 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad
I have a certain amount of empathy for that

Right, now let's see. I'm unemployed, and face an increasingly threatening financial situation. But I'm healthy, generally optimistic, and have an education, so I will likely recover and bounce back well. If I lose the house I will still be able to afford an apartment with Jacquelita, although I may have to give up my dog.

I rate a mere 3 on the victimization scale. You can, therefore, be mean to me. If I want you to be nicer to me, I should emphasize the negatives and major concerns in my life.

Spode, what I have said to you here is downright mean. But that's OK; you rate a 3 also.

If you feel that I'm somehow minimizing your situation, I apologize. I'm afraid I wasn't aware of it. This is probably because you do not go on about it. I have empathy for *you*, too. However, I'm not sure where I was being mean...or were you referring to Mari?

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I know that some of us question whether or not Mari even *was* the victim of CO poisoning.

She knew a lot of intricate details about what that might entail. For example, she complained about not getting expensive hyperbaric treatment. In-between puffs on a cigarette.
I did say that I sometimes doubted either the fact or extent of her poisoning, based on what appeared, on screen, to be a fairly unimpaired writing style. As to bad judgement in her choice to smoke given her condition, I'm eating Taco Bell right now, and I've had a bypass. So Mari and I are equally culpable, or so it would seem by extension.

Again, I agree that Mari's ban became the only reasonable solution, but I don't think the situation was as simple as "Mari's a twit". I'm not sure why you are taking my (what I see as rather mild) expressions of opinion so very personally, but I apologize profusely for any slight, actual or perceived. I think you're a pretty special guy, UT, and definitely not someone who I would offend intentionally or unintentionally.

And with that, I bow out of any further Mari discussions, discretion being the better part of valor.

rkzenrage 12-15-2006 12:29 PM

Owner/mod of this privately owned/run board deemed it necessary to ban her... why is this not the end of this story?

skysidhe 12-15-2006 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspode
~snip I think you're a pretty special guy, UT, and definitely not someone who I would offend intentionally or unintentionally.


ditto

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And with that, I bow out of any further Mari discussions, discretion being the better part of valor.

ditto here as well

limey 12-15-2006 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad
(quoting limey)FWIW Mari and I were both participants on Another Board a few years ago, and our time there overlapped by a year at least, and this sort of kerfuffle did not happen there.

Perhaps she was more brain-muddled during that period.

Or was it a forum of all women? Women don't complain about each other to their face; that's rude. Women wait until they get to the bathroom with their mates to complain, and then they let loose a way biggger shitstream than I might.

In any case, now she can return there, where they appreciate her so well. Nice to know there's another place for her to participate. This is the Internet, you know, and forums are quite rare.

She may have been more muddled-headed - it was just after the ("alleged")period of CO2 poisoning. It was a board made up largely of women, though I do not agree with your assumptions about that. I am sorry that running this forum has led to this amount of irritation for you.

LabRat 12-15-2006 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspode
...I've mentioned it before, and I'll say it again: no one has ever called Bullshit on any of my tales, yet I have often been complimented on my writing. Would it not follow, then, that I might also possess the skills to mislead convincingly?

How do you know that *I* am not just another Mari, more subtle, more devious...more dishonest?


You don't always have to meet a person face to face to get a bad feeling in your gut...

Spexxvet 12-15-2006 01:39 PM

I don't have a strong feeling about Mari's banning. I would kinda gloss over her posts, and not really read them. If UT and Bruce felt it was best to ban, I accept and support that decision.

footfootfoot 12-15-2006 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

Everyone else - Here's your challenge - find something worth discussing and start a thread that will draw everyone there. the person who starts the most interesting thread will get one 8 x 10 autographed photo of LabRat's Ass.

I believe I already started that thread. You may send the photo at your convenience.

lookout123 12-15-2006 05:02 PM

i think you misunderstand. I intend to autograph the photo of labrat's ass because I intend to be in said photo. Now that's a thread no one else has started!

does announcing my devious plan in advance diminish my chances of getting the opportunity for a photo op?

footfootfoot 12-15-2006 05:13 PM

Oh. My minds eye is picturing said signature in a pale viscous ink. Better you keep that one.

Beestie 12-15-2006 05:53 PM

Hey Flint! Lookout's gettin' in your game! You gonna sit back and take that???

:corn:

rkzenrage 12-15-2006 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet
I don't have a strong feeling about Mari's banning. I would kinda gloss over her posts, and not really read them. If UT and Bruce felt it was best to ban, I accept and support that decision.

Wow... that sounds so familiar...:rolleyes:

Aliantha 12-15-2006 07:05 PM

Gee, this thread seems to have progressed pretty well without any futher input from me and yet many have expressed the same opinions as me. I guess my previous few posts weren't for MY benefit after all.

See ya.

Urbane Guerrilla 12-15-2006 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tw
Let's see how quick I can get banned. "Yes, Virginia, there really is a Santa Clause" . Clearly that is also a li[n]e worthy of . . .

...being quoted more accurately than this. Not that tw can change his spots.


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No logical fact posted justified so much hate of marichiko. I can grasp one fact that might justify the censorship. But I have yet to see anyone post that justification. Posted instead are vindictive or juvenile emotions that justify hate. Yes this is a discussion of and contains examples of adults who are still children.
Facts in themselves are not "logical." That is a property of the mind perceiving them. One more sign, tw, that you are not and are never going to be qualified as a great sage -- you're not writing the thing you mean, and you are oblivious to that.

I'm not exactly one of the marichiko haters: my view of the woman is that she's old enough to know better, yet never does. Perhaps this is the childishness of which you speak.

tw 12-15-2006 08:11 PM

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No logical fact posted justified so much hate of marichiko. I can grasp one fact that might justify the censorship. But I have yet to see anyone post that justification.

Now we have a logical fact.
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At one point she posted in one of my threads and I gave her the back of my hand. Stay out of my threads, bitch. She never had to say that to me because I never participated in her threads.
But still she set out to carefully violate that arrangement.

Do I believe anything marichiko posted deserves so much hate? Not for one minute. However UT and marichiko did have this agreement. As her own post in this thread noted, she was violating the agreement between UT and herself. I found it amazing that she would both violate that agreement AND post that she was violating it. My next question was how long would it take for her to be cut off ... again.

UT is the 800 gorilla here. Like it or not, it is his board. You don't make an agreement with an 800 gorilla who does not like you - and then both violate the agreement AND tweak that violation in the gorilla's nose.

Notice - no emotion. Notice that this - what UT describes - is what I posted repeatedly with
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Originally Posted by tw
I can grasp one fact that might justify the censorship. But I have yet to see anyone post that justification.

Furthermore, notice many posters who completely ignored the logic in that post to instead attack the messenger. The marichiko problem is not limited to marichiko. Just that marichiko did two things - and notice this post is based in logical reasoning rather than any feeling: she violated an agreement with the 800 pound gorilla AND she also admitted in that post that she was violating that agreement.

I think very poorly of censorship. Moreso I think even more poorly of some reasons posted here to justify her censorship. It is totally irrelevant if she lied about CO poisoning AND it is totally irrelevant if others don't like (an emotion) what she posted. Just as nonsensical are the posts mocking the staple and a lock. I consider some of her stories to be Mr Bean adventures. The Cellar is a place where many meet people that their own biases would not permit them to discover. And as this thread proves, personal bias even to the point of hate is widespread.

But we do have other commandments more valid that anything in a bible of koran. UT is the 800 pound gorilla AND he is the reason this board is so successful. I, for one, do not care how he feels and give no credibility to his feelings. But it is HIS board and he did provide her with sufficient warning. That is the obvious logical fact that I repeatedly referred to and that so many here (while also posting personal insults) never bothered to learn, ask, or even notice. Notice it takes multiple points (and some peripheral facts) to justify his actions. And as I kept posting repeatedly,
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I have yet to see anyone post that justification.
Strange, a response to that post only resulted in attacks on the messenger rather than a reply to logic in those posts.

footfootfoot 12-15-2006 09:09 PM

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Gee, this thread seems to have progressed pretty well without any futher input from me and yet many have expressed the same opinions as me. I guess my previous few posts weren't for MY benefit after all.

See ya.

See ya? SEE YA? don't you mean:

Aliantha 12-15-2006 09:39 PM

lol...nope. I meant See ya!

Hippikos 12-16-2006 07:40 AM

Why not next time (for anybody): "Three Strikes and You're Out?"

That's the rules; no discussion, from either side, pretty purleeze...

xoxoxoBruce 12-16-2006 07:50 AM

Who determines what a strike is and when it occurs? :eyebrow:

Griff 12-16-2006 07:51 AM

I'm the decider.

xoxoxoBruce 12-16-2006 07:51 AM

That's one. :p

Griff 12-16-2006 07:54 AM

:worried:

lumberjim 12-16-2006 08:14 AM

:runs out of the dugout and kicks dirt on xob's feet:

Griff 12-16-2006 08:39 AM

[being]Those glasses aren't helping much with your head up your toocus![held back]

Urbane Guerrilla 12-17-2006 12:58 AM

Oddest spelling of tuchus (or tokhes) I've ever seen.

zippyt 12-17-2006 04:32 AM

thats Two !!!

Hippikos 12-17-2006 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla
Oddest spelling of tuchus (or tokhes) I've ever seen.

How bout tochus: "kiss mir en tochus" or "tochus enormus"?

We do say here: "amme tochus" (my butt)

Griff 12-17-2006 03:38 PM

I'll roll both of yoose up like a carpet!

Urbane Guerrilla 12-18-2006 01:07 AM

I've seen it, seriously, as "tuchis" also. There's some confusion as to how best to transliterate it -- if variation is confusion. "Kush mir im tokhes" is how I've seen it from people talking like they know.

WabUfvot5 12-18-2006 02:15 AM

I certainly had no problem with Mari. In fact she provided some good information that really helped me out. Of course I didn't believe every tale she told either. Despite that she brought about her own banning. Yet she's still the Cellarite I'd most wish to meet in person. No, take that back... LabRat is :P

xoxoxoBruce 12-18-2006 10:55 AM

TUCHES.
tuchas
Toches
Toches
tachat - Hebrew and tokus, toges - Dutch
:confused:

LabRat 12-18-2006 11:14 AM

Flint, Lookout, now Jebediah...

I'm getting my own little fan club. :blush: Well, part of me is anyway... Course, I've got some *tight* competition now, which is good because I was starting to get a little spoiled by all the attention. :queen:

Iggy 12-18-2006 12:23 PM

I totally missed this entire thread. Now I will have to go through and read it all because of my morbid curiousity. :blush:

Griff 12-18-2006 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Iggy
I totally missed this entire thread. Now I will have to go through and read it all because of my morbid curiousity. :blush:

I would advise you not to bother.

Iggy 12-18-2006 07:19 PM

Too late. Took me all day though... certainly enlightening

DanaC 12-18-2006 07:22 PM

okay....so having trawled through hours of wrangling, what's your take on it all?

Griff 12-18-2006 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Iggy
... certainly enlightening

Well, thats one word for it. Not exactly highlight reel material. Everbody did get a chance to put their worst foot forward though, so if you feel like you missed a chance to shit stir, have at. Bruce is about the only one who comes out looking sensible, eh?

kerosene 12-18-2006 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Beestie
I used to have this dog. Mangy little thing. He'd pee on my carpet, chew my furniture and puke in my underwear drawer. And he would bark. It was an annoying bark but made you feel sorry for it. Sort of like chewing tin foil while watching George Bush address the UN. No worse. It was so shrill and so grating that you could actually see space warping as the sound came out - sort of like looking at a sunset just above an open gas can. But he would only bark just as I was dozing off as though the switch was embedded in my eyelid.

Anyway, I let him hang around but told him to stay out of my bedroom. Which he did for a while. Then I caught him on my bed. Pinching a loaf on my pillow. Ears out, eyes bulging, back arched, tail up and BOOM! There it wuz. On my pillow. That I sewed with fabric that I bought. Smedley just looked at me and grinned and ran off before I could smack him with the paper.

So, one day, I sez to myself: "Self!?"

Then I said: "Whut?"

Then I said: "I'm gonna get rid of this dog!"

About that time, my neighbor dropped in to borrow my lawn mower. Again. I think he siphons the gas out of it and puts it in his car because there's never any gas in it when he brings it back. Come to think of it, he doesn't even have a yard. Where was I? Oh, yeah. Smedley.

So I told my neighbor that I'm up to here with Smedley and was going to drop him off at the pound.

"Whyfore, oh neighbor of mine?" He asked. "What'd Smedley ever do to you? C'mere Smedley -- ooochoooo coochie coochie coochie. Does your butt itch? scratch-scratch-scratch - leg thumping on floor - sly grin in my general direction - there -all better now."

"Y'know?" As he spoke, his eyebrows furled in judgement of me which, for a millisecond, gave me a shivering flashback to this picture I saw once of a medieval Bishop sternly administering the Inquisition of a man who had not expressed sufficient gratitude to his torturers for purging him of his sin. "His butt wouldn't itch like that if you let him sleep in your bedroom instead of wherever you let him stay." Smedley shot me a look of smug satisfaction that my neighbor didn't notice.

"But he craps on my bed and barks when I sleep and..." He stopped me.

"Put a plastic trash bag on your pillow and get some fucking earplugs for God's sake! What the hell is wrong with you?!?! He's just a dog like any other dog. You have thirty dogs. What's the difference?"

Stunned, I just looked at him with a mouth-open stare.

He continued and his expression lightened. "Not to change the subje... you ok?... but my TV is still out. And did you remember to set your TiVo for The UN/Harvard sponsored Al Gore Global Warming Conference moderated by Kofi Annan tonight from 5:30 to 11:30? I hear they are doing a special segment where they have this ice carving of George Bush and it, like, melts 'n stuff you know like the ice caps are melting.... Anyway can I watch it live at your house tonight - I already invited some friends and they don't have cell phones so I like can't reach them to change plans thanks man."

"But the Sponge Bob 24-hour maratho..." I started to say.

He resumed to his affectionathon for Smedley. "C'mere Smedleypoo. We're gonna watch Al Gore and Kofi Annan save the world from the mental midget your sorry-ass owner voted for together tonight! Yes we are! Coochie-coochie [rubs noses, swaps spit] Isn't that right? Ohhhhhhh you're so CUTE!!!" Smedley shot me another eff-you look as his leg thumped the floor.

After he left, Smedley disappeared out the back door. When he came back for lunch, I was resolved to take his sorry but to the pound. Then I remembered that the spark plug in the lawnmower was fouled so I replaced it with one out of my car so I could finish cutting the grass. I'll just put it back so I can take Smedley to the pound.

Just then, I looked out the window and saw my neighbor disappear with my lawnmower.

Nausea.

Have you ever read Hank the Cowdog? :)

Beestie 12-19-2006 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by case
Have you ever read Hank the Cowdog? :)

Not familiar with it. Tell me more.

Elspode 12-19-2006 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

And don't forget Tuches, the Cat That Could Drive a Car.

bbro 12-19-2006 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspode
And don't forget Tuches, the Cat That Could Drive a Car.

I thought that was Toonces the cat?

Shawnee123 12-19-2006 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bbro
I thought that was Toonces the cat?


It was. I had a cat named Toonces. :sniff:

Sundae 12-19-2006 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspode
And don't forget Tuches, the Cat That Could Drive a Car.

Could he Drive A Dad though?

kerosene 12-19-2006 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Beestie
Not familiar with it. Tell me more.

Apparently, he now has a website, but I use to read his kids books. It was all about this dog that lived on a ranch and considered himself "Head of Ranch Security." Funny stuff.

Hand the Cowdog

Elspode 12-19-2006 02:11 PM

Well, if I'd have been a SNL writer, it would have been Tuches, that's for sure.:redface:

WabUfvot5 12-19-2006 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LabRat
Flint, Lookout, now Jebediah...

Those who have not yet come forward are either repressing their feelings or
being censored by a significant other :p

Sadly I'm still a bit skeptical. Maybe it's just a lucky camera angle or psychoactives in our system that make us drool. The members of this forum need more photographic evidence to be certain...

Hippikos 12-21-2006 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Interesting websites. As the last site shows we have a lot of Jiddish words in Dutch, although the use of it vanished the last 2 decades. I remember these words were used a lot in my childhood, but not as nearly as much anymore now.


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