And here I thought all these guys hated her because she wasn't attractive.

At least that's the sense I got. :cool:

Classic posted a video that is "classic" for what is happening to Herman Cain today.

Here is the interview video only

Here is the original article:
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Don Walker and Craig Gilbert
Nov 14, 2011

Cain stumbles on Libya question
Over the weekend, I started to comment on this interview,
because of the headline, I almost followed the media sheep by ridiculing Cain for his gaff.
But I did not.

Cain's campaign has later reported he was just tired from the campaign...
I believe that may well have been the case.

I watched the video and came to the conclusion that Cain actually gave a good,
reasoned answer to the question, and was been exceedingly cautious
about getting trapped by the reporters.

But I urge people to actually watch the entire interview,
and then decide if the media today is treating this story fairly.
.

Pelosi should be in jail. The same cell as Boehner.

The 60 Minutes interview was fantastic.

Proof they are criminals. And Pelosi was caught unawares. It was so obvious in her face. She was caught with her hand in her cookie jar and her chopping motion and facial expressions were so telling. I hope they bring her down. But alas nothing will happen until the laws are changed by those who are currently making the most off of inaction. The Republickins are no better. But props must be given to those interviewed and who were honest enough to tell the story.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?...;storyMediaBox

The whole story:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?...ain;contentAux

No taxes on capital gains? No taxes on dividends?

Holy crap! So the only thing that would be taxed is labor? Salary and wages from labor. I can see very clearly who Rick Perry thinks should fund the public goods and services provided by the federal government. And more importantly who he thinks should be exempt from paying any share at all.

Perry has been reduced to a non-relevant status.

Suddenly, Cain is crashing and Gingrich has climbed to the top tier of GOP candidates.
It must be time to review the political history of a man who is almost a phenomenon.
The talking heads are sure Newt will not be the GOP nominee:

John Nichols on May 12, 2011 - 7:53am ET

Five Reasons Why Republicans Are Never Ever Going to Nominate Newt Gingrich
And besides all that:

This past week Newt Gingrich climbed nearer the top of GOP presidential polls,
but many pundits insist that the former House speaker has
too many skeletons in his closet to bag the nomination.

The Week
November 16, 2011

While most of these are debatable, # 4 is the over-riding issue

meh - you went with TPM to get a shitty quote from some partisan hack.
For that, I am going to post 5 links to some BS from Faux snooze and you can't bitch about it. ;)

@classic ??? the "Newt is mean" quote comes from The Week, in it's link embedded above.

Have I committed a faux pas ?

?

That looks a like that cat named bob.

but but but your quote is:
... ahhh just found it -
sorry, let me rephrase ... they went with some partisan hack from TPM to get a shitty quote .
My deepest apologies, Sir Lamp.

In all seriousness, Newt is another waste of time - fodder for the papers.
Does anyone really think he will get the nod?

I'll see your 5 links, and raise you 10 links to The Communist Manifesto, Comrade. :p:

ouch!

Well, maybe not the "nod".
I'm expecting the GOP to winnow down to two: Romney and not-Romney,
and Newt has may seem more electable to moderates... until the run-off.
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The republicans have a problem. Anyone who is moderate enough to win the general election is not conservative enough to win the primary.

Now that is funny, right thar!

This is Romney's curse and his blessing.

He is deliberately (or perhaps genuinely and honestly) keeping the distance between his primary posture and his general posture as short as possible. This will make him MORE electable in the general election. Electable enough to defeat Obama? I don't think so, but there's a LOT of campaigning ahead of us

Regardless of the pundits' expectations about Gingrich getting the GOP nomination,
why does his personal life have such a bad reputation ?

from Wikipedia:
Gingrich became a leader of the Republican investigation of President Clinton
for perjury and obstruction of justice in connection with his [Clinton's] affairs.
Gingrich regularly attacked President Bill Clinton for his immorality,
pointing to "a level of disrespect and decadence that should appall every American."

It was later revealed that, during this period, Gingrich himself was having sex with a congressional aide in her 20s.
Gingrich and Bisek had continued their affair thoughout the Lewinsky scandal,
This is one hypocrisy that has followed him since.

And besides all that:

Gingrich has an exquisite talent for speaking with words his audience needs/wants to hear,
even when he presents one of the most outrageous excuses for adultery in American politics.
It was his patriotism that made him do it.


CNN.com
In a 2011 interview with David Brody of the Christian Broadcasting Network
Gingrich addressed his past infidelities by saying:
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It was all his mother's fault.


She turned him into a newt!

NEWT GINGRICH, The Politician

Newt Gingrich has spent his lifetime in politics, at local, state, and federal levels.
He is mostly known for his time, during the Clinton years, as Speaker of the House from 1994-1998.

During that time, he was effective, working with Clinton and the Senate, to approve balanced budgets.
He has a reputation (that he promotes) as being smart, intellectual, and hot tempered.
He also has a reputation as being more moderate than other Republicans,
and willing to work with Democrats on some issues.

But he still has the reputation of being the:
"most unpopular man in American politics" for his Contract for America
"the only Speaker of the House to be disciplined for ethics violations"
"the most hypocritical politician" during Clinton's impeachment proceedings.

Some of his national platform issues have been:
*replacing EPA with an "Environmental Solutions Agency"
*reopening all off-shore oil-drilling
*ensuring there are no new taxes
*abolishing the capital gains tax
*reducing the corporate tax
*abolishing the so-called death tax.
*100% deduction for business equipment in one year
*option to purchase private insurance instead of Medicare.
*opposition to Supreme Court ban on school prayer

And besides all that:

Gingrich is very confident of this abilities
In an interview, he said And besides, besides all that:

Gingrich is currently challenged for his "consulting fees" from Freddy Mac and Fanny May.
He argues he was hired as a "historian" while others favor "lobbiest"
If it turns out to be the latter, Gingrich may have run afoul of federal laws on lobbying.

But Newt is very confident of his ability to change his image:

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He's still an asshole and his past, both public and private will not allow him to get the nomination.

Hopefully. Just remember who you're talking about.

Cain, Next, Bachmann, Santorum ... I know I'm forgetting someone here, but I basically feel the same about mostly all of them.

I was referring to the electorate who will be doing the nominating. You can't be sure they won't nominate Newt - if the primary had been held previously, Palin, Bachmann, Cain, and uhhhh... Perry would each have been nominated. And they all suck as badly as Newt.

Frightening actually.
A poll showing Cain leading tells more about those being polled than it does about his abilities to lead. Honestly, it shows what a sad state we are in. This should be about selecting the best leader for the country, and I am still amazed that he is even being considered, let alone in the lead. The pickens are pretty slim.

Do they even pull their head out long enough to see ho much better the alternative looks compared to their options?

When you vote based on ideals, no.

If voters cared about a persons personal life they never would have elected Obama and would have run Willie Clinton out of town.

Care to expand on that ?

What? Haven't you been paying attention for the past 3 years?

Still same question...

Obama 2006:

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

Obama's association with Rev. Wright, well I mean until the Rev's speeches got air time... a chruch that embraced black liberation theology

In 1995 Obama openly sought and obtained the endorsement of the Marxist New Party in his quest to be elected to the Illinois State Senate.

June 3, 2008
Obama's Alliance with Marxists

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/..._marxists.html

Also well supported and referenced in two great books:

Dreams from My Father, by BHO

and

The Roots of Obama's Rage by Dinesh D'Souza

His personal life experiences ran contrary to his support to raise the debt ceiling, well until he supported it.

As Senator, Obama was highly critical of President Bush and his use of power and he promised change. He promised to close Gitmo. He railed against Bush for use war powers, surveillance questions, Guantanamo, detention policy and habeas corpus but yet he basically stayed the course on every issue and in many cases expanded them.

Still the same question...

What do these three latest posts have to do with people not electing Obama because of his personal life ?

Ok, I get it. You are unable to see that his associations in his personal life guided his political actions before, during, and since his election. You must have voted for him... point made.

You're not going to get an answer, Lamplighter.

Merc, nothing there is in his "personal" life. Plenty of questionable things in his *political* life, but nothing from his personal life.

Did he break his marriage vows? Has he married and divorced multiple times? Did he screw around in college? (not that this would bother many people). Did he drink or gamble or use drugs? Did he drive drunk (drowning staffers optional)? Was he a juvenile delinquent?

That is what people usually mean by "personal life".

Oh and did Cain really just say "We need a leader, not a reader"?

Obama did smoke in his private life...
Maybe still does, but keeps it a secret from Michelle and the kids. :eyebrow:

So you have never read his book? Please just admit that much to me. I have read it.

Defend him if you can....

During his acceptance speech in 1984 as Democratic nominee for President,
Walter Mondale said:

I have a memory of this moment because of the stunned silence that followed.
While this was meant to show that Mondale would be honest with voters,
it was largely interpreted as a campaign pledge to raise taxes.
Mondale's loss was catastrophic: winning only District of Columbia and his home state, Minnesota

Yesterday during the GOP candidates' debate,
Newt Gingrich may have just made the same sort of statement on "llegal immigration"

Gingrich said in the Republican debate Tuesday night.
"I'm prepared to take the heat for saying let's be humane in enforcing the law."

And so it begins....

Associated Press
Charles Babington
Nov 23, 2011
Gingrich risk: Will the GOP cast its lot with him?

this tiff is why the fundamentalists of any stripe, religious, political, conservative, etc are an evolutionary dead end. They cannot change with the times. they box themselves in like this--no legal for you, come back 11 years! just ridiculous.

The term is "standing by your principles". What it really means it blindly following a political agenda without question or doubt.

Gingrich has made some comments that would be unacceptable among extremists. For example, he rates Obama A+ for America's foreign policy and accomplishments. He has also stood up for long term illegal immigrants who, as we all should know, are essentially American citizens without all the rights. Both contradict party "principles".

Comments like that are too ‘moderate’. Or what extremists call the liberal elite. Can Gingrich ride the same moderate support that gave McCain the domination?

BTW, Mondale was right. Reagan did increase taxes. But in a way that permitted a myth of lower taxes to live on today.

Well I guess Gingrich is going the way of Mondale. Nothing wrong with that I suppose. Better than the lies we have been getting since.

The Democratic National Committee seems to believe that Mitt Romney will be the GOP candidate.
The DNC have started an ad campaign on this assumption.
There is a short (40 sec) ad that gives the flavor of the anti-Mitt campaign,
and then gives a link to their longer (4 min) ad, below:




ETA: Sorry for the edit, my copy/paste went astray

And besides all that:

The DNC should be careful what they wish for... they may get it.

Newt Gingrich is not, by any means, out of the running (yet).
The endorsement below is important in the New Hampshire primary.

Politico
JOSEPH W. MCQUAID - NEW HAMPSHIRE UNION LEADER
11/28/11

New Hampshire Union Leader endorses Gingrich

Newt is the flavor of the month, I hope.
Got any recipes?

Oh pith the thought.

Frankly, I am getting tired of reading of Herman Cain's exploits.
Not that I'm jealous, but instead I'm bored.
The women keep coming and Cain keeps denying.
But anyhow, here's the latest:

Christian Science Monitor
Amanda Paulson
November 28, 2011

Herman Cain has refuted allegations of a 13-year affair with an Atlanta woman, Ginger White.
And besides all that:

A good man is always willing to help out his acquaintances financially.
and it ain't wrong if everybody's doing it...

Still don't care about Cain's issues with women. He isn't fit to lead the country.
His ideas are awful. Thats enough for me.

Bing.

The man is just not of a high enough calibre, in any way, to lead any country let alone the fucking United States of America.


I swear, Merkins, if you lot allow that man to be your president the rest of us are going to be really fucking annoyed.

Cain Reassessing

Perhaps it was the smell of fear that brought out the predators, but now it seems Cain feels there's actual blood in the water. Like classicman, I don't really think that how he conducts his personal affairs is important to his quality as a leader. I *DO* think how he responds to such questions is telling and Cain's mishandled this from the outset.

You'd think he's a Democrat :p: