To me it's the same thing. Whether a freak throws a grenade into a tent or a suicide bomber get them or a plane crashes due to sand in the intakes, it's all casualties to me. We shouldn't be there, and our people are dying for someone else's democracy. I have a problem with that.

my point was that some of those deaths would happen here in the states or wherever their normal training stations are. i remember a few years back a group was running numbers on the death count in KSA in an effort to get us out. they included everything, including the 2 guys who died because they took one of the landcruisers out to the desert and rolled it into a wadi killing themselves, and also the guy who was screwing around and a stack of pallets fell over on him.

three people died. those three deaths had absolutely nothing to do with location, combat, politics, just wars, etc. military duty is a dangerous occupation in many ways. but just being in the wrong place or doing the wrong thing can be dangerous too - just don't use those people in your statistics.

Cryptome have this shit nailed.

*sigh*

good site jag. like i said before - too many dead blahblahblah. i just want to make sure that we don't start pulling numbers from the air, and we take into account that american servicemen and women die frequently whether we are involved in combat operations or not. i don't like seeing normal deaths attributed to combat, etc.