Oh, and I've just realised what Bruce meant by 'why is myname not McGregor?':facepalm:

I take it that was one of the banned surnames?

Also - I incorrectly described the tories as many of them being catholics - some of them were - most of them were Anglican.

The religious divisions in 18t century Britain were waaaay complex and I have never quite got a handle on them :P

I realize you're making a reasonable and rational explanation in an area you are particularly well versed in, but since I don't have a rational rebuttal, I'll just post Willie. :p:

Well, you know what they say bruce: there's always room for willy.

:thumb: :lol2:

I really could not believe that as a country we could not vote for self determination and independence, I voted yes not because I hate the English but I wanted something better.
What we'll get now is more Tory policies and Tory Governments that the people of Scotland do not want and do not vote for, the labour party in the UK is a busted flush and the rest are not worth bothering about.
Project Fear worked, spread scare stories and half truths and the older generation shat it.
They are now squabbling and retracting on the supposed extra powers that were promised because they are lying bastards that don't give a shit about Scotland it's just Westminster clutching on to power and the last remnants of the British Empire.
But they have started something the Yes voters are not going away, the cause of independence is not going away, we lost the first battle but the war ain't over yet

C'mon Carruthers, out with it you pussy. http://cellar.org/2012/bwekk.gif

@Bruce. To hear is to obey.... :)


And England will never again get a Labour Government they do not want and for whom they did not vote.

I make the above observation from the standpoint of a disinterested third party. I used to be a floating voter.

I am now a floating abstainer.

Most of England doesn't want this government. They're in because of the South - they generally lean further right in politics than the north.

I'd rather have a Labour government than this shower of shit.

We had ten years of relative prosperity under Labour - they didn't break the economy, a world wide recession that started on an entirely different continent did that.

I'd rather not have their war mongering - but if the government is going to go to war I'd rather it not be against the unemployed, the low paid and the public sector.

Perhaps if I could expand my observation, England (rUK) would almost certainly end up with a permanent Conservative Government, essentially an elected dictatorship.

Similarly Scotland would probably end up with a permanent SNP Government.

Would it be an improvement on the current situation?

*shudders*

Most of us would let Scotland be our 51st state; but, the Kentucky bourbon industry is agin it.

Once upon a time, Iraq was to become America's 51st state. When the bills started to exceed $3 trillion, then an American public finally caught on.

$3 trillion and we didn't get a single ounce of whiskey out of them. What could we have been thinking? :smack:

Yes, but well placed people sold the some, for a tidy profit.