My point exactly.

And don't draw parallels between people who enacted Jim Crow Laws, White Racist Extremists, and those who are opposed to illegal immigration. Stop dancing around the issue and using comparisons that have nothing to do with each other, because those who enacted the Jim Crow laws were White Racist Extremists, and those who oppose illegal immigration are nothing of the kind.

I agree, just don't call those who oppose illegal immigration something like those who enacted Jim Crow Laws, who were by and large White Racist Extremists.

Wait, I am confused, which is it? A sad ploy that is not relevant or a "reality".

I'm following you Lamplighter and not having any problem with your direction.

For the pregnant women crossing borders thing to have any weight in this discussion, you need to show that some significant percentage of children born to aliens come from border jumping women for that express purpose.

Otherwise the issue is just a distraction from the original topic. Which was, I think, Lamplighters meaning when he called it a ploy. He caught Merc palming a card.

It was not "palming a card", it was a question of degree. You support A, does that mean you support every extreme of the situation?

Here is a video for you...
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4000446n

Or you can read this article
or this one

read what you like here as well

Lastly I'll offer you this piece
...all done with a simple Google search in under 10 minutes.

Nothing new - this has been going on for over a decade.

Personally, I do not see this as a ploy by Merc, definitely one used by some illegal illegals though. It is just an inconvenient reality for some.

I agree, but with the exception of the actually "drop and stay". :D Or "stay and drop", which ever you prefer...

Bottom line is this:

I see it more as another wedge issue by Republickins but it has validity if you have concerns about stemming the tide of illegal immigration, which I do, and if you do not support whole scale amnesty programs, and I do not.

(all from link #4 above)

No, you only have to show there are kids being born to women that are here illegally, and thats pretty easy because there's a shitload of them. It's impossible to separate the ones that jump the border when they're due because they want an anchor baby, from the ones that want free & better hospital care.

Easy cure, just keep a van at the hospital and as soon as they discharge mom, drive her ass to the border. But the kid's a citizen, you say? Right, we'll be keeping the kid. We could rent them to child molesters until they're old enough to work, then sell the surplus in the middle east. I have a feeling this plan is not sustainable though.

I would also add that we should bill their home country for the care they receive. Because they do not have insurance and generally cannot pay for the care, so bill their government.

Makes no sense that illegals are automatically treated to the standard drugged up 2 day stay at border hospitals to begin with. If I can drop a kid drug-free and leave within 12 hours of arrival why can't most of them? Save the hospital stay for the ones that actually need it. Makes at least 10 thousand dollars difference per mom right there.

Good question. Most of them don't go drug free, and most moms do not deliver drug free anymore. Most get an epidural. Oh and they all watch The Baby Channel and think they are going to have the perfect delivery, it just usually does not happen that way. Hell, the newest thing it the Designer C-Section, to "preserve the pelvic floor". They are all the rage in South America, if you are affluent, and if you request one here, there are a bunch of OB-GYN's that will do them.