Well, I can see this will take a while -- and most of what Redux claims are failures (for he believes it with a religious intensity) are not, I think, failures in the end. Further remarks to follow.

Briefly, DanaC -- I for one could hardly oppose the demolition of a fascist regime, now could I? Could you -- in anything like good conscience? How can a democracy taking down a dictatorship be a wrongness, when dictatorships are invariably about the oppression? They differ only in degree, after all -- the less virulent that way are suffered to exist by the rest of the global community, but such suffrance doesn't add up to improvement, or even good. Dictatorships and autocracies are the ones that go easily to war; democracies, driven and steered by popular consensus, far less so. This is evinced even in this last decade and the one before it in the United States: who is seriously arming their nation against the US military? No one, except perhaps the North Koreans, who are sharply constrained by their lack of resources and so-so intel. Even Cuba, which professes to be greatly worried, isn't meeting its words with action.

Why is this? Try this idea on for size: it's because of the way we use it. No one is concerned that they will be randomly, arbitrarily plucked like low-hanging fruit by American marauders.

UG....come on, dude!

It shouldnt take that long if you are a true neo-con.

Oh, this is an example of the discussion you tend towards. I get it. :rolleyes:

Yep...no partisan links from either UG or me!

Its called dialague and discourse.

He pushes and I push back.... and we do it in our own words and with our own thoughts...and maintain an equal level of respect.

On the other hand.you must have a partisan link to contribute. That is your contribution to most threads.

You always have a partsian link..or two..or three...or four...or five..that are always facutally correct regardless of what others may offer.

Let me see if I can dig one up for ya...

Ok, I see. You say partisan things to him and call him a few names to suit you; he says partisan things to you and he calls you a few names. And that is somehow a respectful conversation??? :lol:

Ok. :rolleyes:

Yep.

We got class...UG and me :)

I think he is full of shit but I recognize him as an independent thinker and I respect his intellect and gamesmanship and I would hope he has the same respect for me..despite the name calling.

On the other hand.....

:lol: Ok.

Watch how the adults play (no links!) ...when he shows his face again to defend his neo-con crap :)

One day, you too can play wiith the grownups....just not yet, sonny boy

You're not ready for the big time. :D

:lol2:

Sorry, not interested in your game. Nothing respectful about your "exchanges".

I have never heard of fit flops but I have heard of Earth Footwear.

They are very intriguing.

http://www.earthfootwear.com/tabid/95/Default.aspx

Fuck off, Jack. I think, despite your protestations -- or urgings -- to the contrary. You had best not have been serious.

UH OH....a cyber threat? I'm shaking in my boots. :D

Why is it so hard to answer simple questions:

What was good about the early neo-con policy of supporting any govt that wasnt communist, even it was a right wing regime? Look at South/Central America to start...What did it accomplish other than raise anti-American sentiments in Venzuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Nicuagara, Uruguay,....

What did Reagan/GHW Bush accomplish by secretly funding both the religious extremist government of Iran and the dictatorship of Saddam?

How was US national security enhanced by attacking and invading a sovereign nation that posed no direct threat to the US while virtually abandoning the attack against the greater threat posed by those forces (al queda) in Afghanistan (and the Talliban govt that supported them) who were responsible for the attack on the US?

I tried these out at the store (Walking Co.), and decided they are completely retarded. Felt like i was wearing Pinoccio's shoes, they were all huge and stupid feeling. Didn't stop the sales whore from trying hard to sell them though. What a ridiculous store, really. It's entire raeson d 'etre is to sell overpriced inserts ($80!). I did end up buying sneakers there (the sales chick asked my size and then brought out all the sneakers they had in it for me to dig thru on my own, then proceeded to try to shove the inserts up my ass), but I bought my inserts at Footlocker for a mere $30. [/rant]

As long as everyone's got comfy shoes on, America will never be a nation at risk. :)