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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl (Post 537574)

Decriminalise drugs.

I'm talking about real criminals, not just the drug smugglers which are a nuisance but not nearly as dangerous.

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Originally Posted by BrianR (Post 537578)

Dredge out the Rio Grande, extend it to the Pacific and make it a navigable canal like the Panama Canal.

That would let the Chinese ships into the Gulf and eliminate a lot of trucking jobs.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 537716)

I'm talking about real criminals, not just the drug smugglers which are a nuisance but not nearly as dangerous.

Are you joking? The bastards run around with assault rifles and NVGs. Bump into them in the boondocks, they just shoot you.

further support to stopping the flow!

The majority of the pot, coke & crank coming in is by the tractor trailer load, or plane load, and doesn't go near the boondocks.
The small time smugglers/hustlers that you might find in the boondocks, while they may be dangerous, the real criminals that are committing armed robberies, home invasions, kidnappings and murders, worry me much more. They should have never gotten past the border.

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Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 537676)

if we built a wall that was 50 ft thick, and 400 feet high, that went down 75 ft below the surface, and we cleared the land 2000 feet on both sides of it, except for the outposts on the US side and a big freaking gate every 100 miles or so.....

think big.....make a point out of it.

Add land mines and you might have a solution there.:3_eyes:

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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 537683)

1952 miles long = 10,306,560 feet

10,306,560 * 475 * 50 = 244,780, 800, 000 cubic feet of concrete.

= 81,593,600,000 yd^3 at 4050 LB/yd^3 = 330,454,080,000,000 pounds, or 165,227,040,000 tons of concrete. Plus rebar.

Got 165.2 billion tons of concrete kicking around?

Sounds shovel ready to me ...

Collateral job and wealth creation. There will be enough new jobs to offset the lost ones.

And the ancient Chinese built a freakin' huge wall out of stone blocks using little more than slave labor. With modern trucks and cranes, the job will be simpler and faster, with less loss of life and fewer bodies buried beneath.

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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 537683)

At step 3, you should have divided by 27, not 3.

You only need 18.3 billion tons of concrete.

well, what are we waiting for then?!

Roger to call his congressman

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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 537707)

Penalize the employers. If there's no jobs, there's no reason to immigrate (outside of CA for free bennies, I mean, but they're all nuts in CA anyway).

Fine the employers til their eyes bleed, including agriculture. The problem will ease up soon enough.

That's what I say. If there is a stiff penalty, which now there isn't, then employers would quit hiring them and they'd go home. Of course, we would have to quit giving them free govt assistance as well.

As for the crime stuff, I swear, just repeal all the friggin' drug laws and let people grow their own. That would get rid of the crime element. Prices would go down because it would be plentiful. Let things like weed open up a new industry. It's ridiculous that weed is illegal. It's safer than alcohol. And the tax we could collect on it would be astonomical, not to mention we would save on the "drug war." Controlling other certain substances and taxing them, like we did with alcohol, would help with more hardcore drugs. (No, I don't think those drugs are good. But I think drug laws do more harm than the actual drugs.)

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 537983)

Of course, we would have to quit giving them free govt assistance as well.

and there is the problem.

Which is why it would never get past the victimhood mentality of many community leaders.

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 537995)

and there is the problem.

And I don't understand that...

What don't you understand?