Bullshit. J Edgar Hoover was worse by himself than the entire Bush DoJ. He would have beaten Mukasey to death with his purse for being a wimpy little nancy boy.


Granted, you might not have been around for him...

Absolutely. I fully understand it. Nor was it the topic of discussion. This has become nothing more than a side bar at the bench.

I am thinking this is just an age thing with Redux. Granted, I don't remember Hoover but it was not far from the times I do remember.

Hoover was a titan. He knew we hated him, he knew WHY we hated him, and he didn't care...mostly because he had the goods on EVERYONE.

That fucker INVENTED illegal wiretapping. He was a monster, and the world will never know his like again.

You do mean the Western World, because the East Germans, Russians, Chinese, Burmese, Iranians, Saudi's and a shit load of others were as bad if not worse than Hoover could ever have dreamed of, and their history is much more recent.

Balls. Hoover would have eaten them for breakfast.

Look what he did using (ina manner of speaking) our rules. Then give him Yugoslavia under Tito, and he'd fucking EVERYBODY.

Yep. Agreed.

Hey...I'm old as dirt. I was playing with my cap gun when Hoover was around.

And right after Hoover died, we got John Mitchell as AG...a crook in his own right.

Sure.

Ah, yes, but his wife, Martha Mitchell, kept us amused. I used to love how she'd insist on introducing every unofficial speech he gave, and then she'd totally fuck him over by saying something stunningly stupid right before giving him the podium. My favorite:

"People have been given their freedom to a greater extent than ever before, and I think that's quite wrong."

Or who could forget this little gem:

"We can't have people all running around unregulated, you know."

Crooked as the day is long.

Hey that sounds lik Biden. :lol2:

No, Biden is dumb in a different way. Think of him as Luca Brasi.

OK, so why is you don't have a problem applying the first ammendment differently to some people, but when it comes to the second ammemdment, it is sacrosanct for eveyone? Hipocrisy rears its ugly head...

Nope. The Second Amendment only applies to legal US citizens who follow the law as currently written. If you use your right as an excuse to violate other peoples right you just may lose it. Another purpose of government.