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classicman 10-10-2008 11:50 AM

I bow to the Jinx - she is right on. Get the feds outta this!

dar512 10-10-2008 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinx (Post 491994)
I would think that private charities, run by real people with real common sense, would do a better job than impersonal government workers whos hands are tied by red tape.

Good point.

Shawnee123 10-10-2008 11:59 AM

Except that government workers aren't robots, they too are real people with real common sense, but they are, as you say, tied up in red tape and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it.

I like the idea of a private agency being able to say "yeah, you've blown it...no more free ride for you" but then you get into personalities, it becomes subjective.

A federal (so I'm sure is true for other govt agencies) regulation states that we are not allowed to treat any student any differently than any other...so if I LIKE someone I can't push them to the front of the "line" and if I don't like someone I can't push them to the back. It's the ONLY way to assure that it's fair and unbiased.

Though it hardly ever seems fair. :headshake I've seen too much and have become quite jaded.

HungLikeJesus 10-10-2008 12:09 PM

I just had this image of Shawnee tied up in red tape.

Shawnee123 10-10-2008 12:17 PM

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Can you use that bubble gum tape stuff? Then I can chew my way out.

Pico and ME 10-10-2008 12:18 PM

Edible Bondage!

TheMercenary 10-10-2008 01:06 PM

1972 - Nixon (R) vs. McGovern (D)
1976 - Carter (D) vs. Ford (R)
1980 - Reagan (R) vs. Carter (D)
1984 - Reagan (R) vs. Mondale (D)
1988 - Bush Sr. (R) vs. Dukakis (D)
1992 - Clinton (D) vs. Bush Sr. (R)
1996 - Clinton (D) vs. Dole (R)
2000 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Gore (D)
2004 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Kerry (D)

Bold==my vote
First candidate==winner

dar512 10-10-2008 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 492083)
1992 - Clinton (D) vs. Bush Sr. (R)
Bold==my vote
First candidate==winner

I thought Bush Sr. did an ok job. What made you decide to vote for Clinton?

HungLikeJesus 10-10-2008 01:30 PM

TheMercenary only votes for winners.

glatt 10-10-2008 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dar512 (Post 492095)
I thought Bush Sr. did an ok job. What made you decide to vote for Clinton?

I bet it was 6 words. "Read my lips. No new taxes."

TheMercenary 10-10-2008 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dar512 (Post 492095)
I thought Bush Sr. did an ok job. What made you decide to vote for Clinton?

Most of my votes have been anti votes, well except for Regan. I just thought the other guy sucked more. The first time I voted for Clinton I just wanted something different, change. But that was almost 20 yrs ago. Since I was on AD at the time it was not until I voted for him the second time that I realized I had made a huge mistake because he really desimated and demoralized the military.

Undertoad 10-10-2008 01:44 PM

1984 - Reagan (R) vs. Mondale (D)
1988 - Bush Sr. (R) vs. Dukakis (D) vs. Paul (L)
1992 - Clinton (D) vs. Bush Sr. (R) vs. Marrou (L)
1996 - Clinton (D) vs. Dole (R) vs. Browne (L)
2000 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Gore (D)
2004 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Kerry (D)

Bold==my vote
First candidate==winner

Shawnee123 10-10-2008 02:42 PM

1984 - Reagan (R) vs. Mondale (D)
1988 - Bush Sr. (R) vs. Dukakis (D)
1992 - Clinton (D) vs. Bush Sr. (R)
1996 - Clinton (D) vs. Dole (R)
2000 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Gore (D)
2004 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Kerry (D)

Bold==my vote
First candidate==winner

BigV 10-10-2008 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinx (Post 491994)
I would think that private charities, run by real people with real common sense, would do a better job than impersonal government workers whos hands are tied by red tape.

If the state did a better job at all the private shit it involves itself in it would make sense to leave it up to them... but really, look around...

Agreed. In their much much smaller sphere of influence. Why? For a couple reasons, at least. The distance between delivering the assistance and receiving the resources to provide that support is much shorter. The lets the feedback loop (hey, weren't you here last week?) be shorter and more viable. Also, the smaller system is likely to have someone delivering the assistance who has more authority to use their judgment to act in the best interest of the charity and the individual. Governments are notoriously hierarchical and notoriously allergic to pushing authority down the chain.

Just because in some circumstances private charities can do better that the government doesn't mean that government shouldn't do charitable-like work.

monster 10-10-2008 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juniper (Post 491653)
If you’re 20 and not a Liberal, you have no heart. If you’re 40 and not a Conservative, you have no brain.
— Sir Winston Churchill

I'm 40.
---Juniper

But do you have a brain? :lol:

US politics in general is so far the the right of UK politics, I'm not sure you can really apply Winston's quote here


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