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Originally Posted by Big Sarge (Post 481688)

Once again my opinions are based upon my own experiences and membership in such groups as the VFW and the IWVO.

Explain why every American general who led men in Iraq and then retired said the war was wrong; a waste of American treasure. That video could have been replayed word for word in Nam. Everything said in that video was also said in Nam. And what do we know? That was why the Pentagon Papers were so earth shattering and why government so fears their release. All that same rhetoric was used during Nam and exposed as misguided lies by the Pentagon Papers.

No matter how many die in a worthy cause, the cause is a lie when the leadership violates every basic military principle even defined 2500 years ago. It is a shame how many good people were wasted only for the greater glory of George Jr (Cheney). Then shame is compounded when those people don't learn from the mistake.

Worse - the only justified war was all but surrendered by the same president. Even more treasures must be scarified to correct a mental midget's mistake made in late 2002 and early 2003. More good Americans must be wasted only because the same leaders who invented Saddam's WMDs also surrendered Afghanistan back to the Taliban.

Shame on those who so hate America as to not see how many times George Jr (Cheney) has harmed America. You were supposed to have learned these simple lessons from Nam. Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. No open criticism of the mental midget president means American is doomed to make the same mistake in another 30 years.

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 483049)

Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.

Then why are your post still so long?

JUST KIDDING - sorta :3eye:

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 483049)

Excellent post.

I see my fellow friends Big Sarge and Regular Joe are getting a good introduction into the thinking process of Radar. Tell him you are against illegal immigration, he loves that subject.

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 483049)

Bush and the neo-cons did learn from Nam: they learn to ignore all naysayers, especially those natives and state officials who claim that they killed villagers; to torture torture, and torture some more, especially the innocent (worked for the Chinese), build the country until it makes a $75 billion surplus while the US is at a $500 billion deficit; stretch the National Guard and the Army Core of Engineers so far that basic things such as; oh roads and highways crumble here in the states; and if all else fails, blame the above the law mercenaries (though as I recall, al-Qaeda started as a mercenary group).

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 483406)

I see my fellow friends Big Sarge and Regular Joe are getting a good introduction into the thinking process of Radar. Tell him you are against illegal immigration, he loves that subject.

BTDT no thanks.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 481758)

A shitload of what the Pentagon were calling "AQ", battling us in Iraq, said they are not AQ, they are Iraqis. They then joined with the U.S. Coalition in defeating the other ones the Pentagon had labeled AQs.

Letters from Ayman al Zawahiri (AQ 2nd in cmd) to AQ in Iraq leaders:

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...om_al_qaed.php

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Al Qaeda's senior leadership has lost confidence in its commander in Iraq and views the situation in the country as dire, according to a series of letters intercepted by Multinational Forces Iraq earlier this year.

The letters, which have been sent exclusively to The Long War Journal by Multinational Forces Iraq, are a series of communications between Ayman al Zawahiri, al Qaeda's second in command, Abu Ayyub al Masri, al Qaeda in Iraq's leader, and Abu Omar al Baghdadi, the leader of al Qaeda's Islamic State of Iraq. These letters were intercepted by Coalition forces in Baghdad on April 24, 2008. One of the letters written by Zawahiri is dated March 6, 2008.

Coalition forces found the letters in the possession of a senior al Qaeda in Iraq leader called Abu Nizar, whose real name is Ali Hamid Ardeny al Essawi. He was killed after he stopped at a checkpoint in Baghdad and later identified by al Qaeda operatives in custody.
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The series of letters highlights the divisions within al Qaeda in Iraq and highlights al Qaeda's senior leadership's questions about the leadership in Iraq. Al Masri is portrayed as an ineffective leader who is refusing to respond to questions by al Qaeda's senior leadership based in Pakistan. Leaders also criticize al Qaeda in Iraq's propaganda campaign, stating the group has intentionally deceived followers by releasing old footage and inflating enemy casualties.

nah - no progress there:eyebrow:

Well ya see, religion is involved. Thats why its a mire. BUT I LOVE men in uniform...RFN and NSFW threads could use some more pics always.

Sarge - The only thing your video was missing was the "Paid for by McCain '08 Campaign" logo on the bottom.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 483559)

Letters from Ayman al Zawahiri (AQ 2nd in cmd) to AQ in Iraq leaders:

Yes, they are there. But Abu Ayyub al Masri and Abu Omar al Baghdadi, aren't in control/command of all the opposition to the U.S.(coalition) in Iraq.
My point is, even though the Pentagon seems to want to lump them all together, there are different groups with different agendas, in the fray, and their alliances seem to shift frequently.
If a bunch of them hadn't gotten fed up with AQ's abuse of civilians, and joined with the U.S. in routing the AQs, the surge would have been fruitless.