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ZenGum 10-29-2007 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 400985)
You were told up front it was amiss, so you were looking for something naughty. Porn is in the mind of the beholder.

Well the first part was true, that I was expecting something dodgy. But even if I hadn't been, I'm sure I would still have made the connection. C'mon, I note you've dodged answering the question - are you really saying you wouldn't have noticed anything odd if you hadn't read the introduction? Really? (If you say yes I'm immediately posting it in the "I can't believe they said this with a straight face" thread :lol: )

Porn is in the eye of the beholder? I never argued that this was porn as such (hell I am not turned on by it ... anything you feel like sharing with us? :) ). Just asking if you thought it was, or could reasonably be viewed as, offensive.
As for being in the eye of the beholder, this is sometimes true and sometimes not. In this case, the resemblance to a vagina I think is not "just" in the mind of the beholder. The reason being that there are some facts which are true for all humans, such as the fact that most vaginas look pretty similar, and this Pikachu fun-house in shape and placement is a pretty close match. Maybe kids wouldn't notice it ... but the vast majority of adults would.
Likewise sexual violence against women is a widespread reality, and can't be dismissed this easily, as being "in the eye/mind of the beholder". It is a fair question if this violence has any connection with this photo.

Dana, good points, although my friend was not "upset" but just found it objectionable. But she is fairly sensitive to things like this, for reasons I won't share here.

On a lighter note, I wonder if "Pikachu fun-house" will soon become a euphemism for vagina. I think it should :lol: .

BigV 10-29-2007 11:14 AM

Hey, ZenGum, while we've got you on the line...

You're our most verbose Japanese-Engrish poster here.... what the hell does Pikachu mean anyway?

Is it just a made up name, as I suspect? Has it acquired any other associations, as you predicted above?

TIA

ZenGum 10-29-2007 12:08 PM

You had me stumped with this one. I'm much too old to know more than four things about pokemon. So for the third time tonight I have consulted the great Wikiguru and learned:
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The name Pikachu is a portmanteau of the Japanese words pikapika, an onomatopoeia for electric sparkling, and chū, which is the Japanese onomatopoeia for a mouse's squeak. It may also be based on the pika. The name Pikachu refers to both the overall species, and to individual Pikachu within the games, anime, and manga series.
So, roughly it means "Bzzzzt-eeek".
Do you feel richer for knowing this?

xoxoxoBruce 10-29-2007 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 401014)
The only beholders that wouldn't see that, text or no text, would be boys young enough to not know that boys and girls have different parts.

I disagree, I don't think young girls would make the connection either. I doubt very much that preteens would make a sexual connection with this toon character, without being prodded by elders.

xoxoxoBruce 10-29-2007 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 401017)
Well the first part was true, that I was expecting something dodgy. But even if I hadn't been, I'm sure I would still have made the connection. C'mon, I note you've dodged answering the question - are you really saying you wouldn't have noticed anything odd if you hadn't read the introduction? Really? (If you say yes I'm immediately posting it in the "I can't believe they said this with a straight face" thread :lol: )

So if you don't get the answer you want you're threatening to ridicule me? Fuck you. I'm not dodging anything. I don't have sexual fantasies about Jap schoolgirls or cartoon characters.

ZenGum 10-29-2007 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 401334)
So if you don't get the answer you want you're threatening to ridicule me? Fuck you. I'm not dodging anything. I don't have sexual fantasies about Jap schoolgirls or cartoon characters.

I had hoped that the use of the :lol: smiley would convey a non-hostile tone. Seems this didn't work. Sorry.
And I wasn't suggesting that you were having sexual fantasies about Pikachu. Don't straw man me. I was saying that anyone with an adult mind would almost inevitably notice that in shape and position the entrance to the house resembled a vagina.
Meh, if this bothers you lets call Dead Horse on it. I'm getting bored. You can have the last horse-beating.

Aliantha 10-29-2007 11:59 PM

I think that's the main difference. We're all adults here (the majority of whom enjoy the odd crass joke or suggestion) so if we can see a bit of something naughty we will.

I'm sure I don't speak for all cellarites, but I'm pretty sure it's plain to see where Zen is coming from. Or it could be just an Aussie thing. lol

Happy Monkey 10-30-2007 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 401319)
I disagree, I don't think young girls would make the connection either. I doubt very much that preteens would make a sexual connection with this toon character, without being prodded by elders.

Never having been a young girl, I can't speak with authority. But I can say that if it looked like a penis, young boys would make the connection.

ViennaWaits 10-30-2007 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 401404)
We're all adults here (the majority of whom enjoy the odd crass joke or suggestion) so if we can see a bit of something naughty we will.


You hit the closest on what I was thinking - I think (gimme a break, it's 5 a.m.). IMO, if this was widely thought of (or recognized) as objectionable there wouldn't be nearly so many climbing in and out of the pika-gina. Men and women, young and old - we all have different ideas about what's objectionable, sexual, or both/neither due to whatever psychological theorum are popular lately.

I know several people who are naive/prudish/repressed enough that the resemblance may very well have to be pointed out to them.

Just my quarter of a cent. :) Hope you all enjoyed your weekend. God, they're getting shorter, I think. :morncoff:

DanaC 10-30-2007 10:50 AM

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pika-gina.
:lol2:

toranokaze 10-30-2007 01:46 PM

So that is were pika children come from.

DanaC 10-30-2007 02:19 PM

Nah...they're delivered by the Pika-stork

ZenGum 10-31-2007 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 401613)
Nah...they're delivered by the Pika-stork

No, they're stitched together by a Spanish artist called Pika-Sew.


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