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Rexmons 05-17-2007 10:58 AM
cool! im gonna start the first official "Church of Nambla" and I'm gonna charge rich child molestors a million dollars a piece for "sanctuary" from chris hansen.

BigV 05-17-2007 02:33 PM
Sanctuary from what? From having their children deported for the crimes of the parents?

:scoff:

jinx 05-17-2007 03:28 PM
Would you leave your children behind V?

rkzenrage 05-17-2007 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 343791)
Lots of business are private property.

Why does that make it ok for "the US [to]... just going into those churches and arresting those illegals and deporting them like we should." and not other private property?

Just so we're clear--private property, m'kay? Due process, warrants, you remember those? They're *ours*. Not "the US's". Not theirs to take and I'm damn sure not giving them away.

What the hell's wrong with you people?! First xoB says deport those citizens! Fuck! Deport them?! Where?!! This **IS** their country! And now you're saying private property be dammed. Warrants be dammed. Rule of law be dammed, just get those icky people out of here, they're clogging up my church!

I must have missed the Backwards-talking-like-a-Gooberment-Pirate-Day memo.

For the record, I don't really give a rip about your compound. But I'm pretty sure I don't want the free-for-all because-we-can search and destroy mission on it to set any precedent for my home or my church or my business. The government has a hard job, but it's rules, people, rules, that keep it from spinning apart.

We already have evil gremlins like AG Gonzales pulling the threads out of the seams as it is. Stop helping. Stop collaborating. Jay-sus!
Who said anything about ignoring warrants?
If you don't care about my house, why do you keep bringing it up and implying that I have something illegal here?

BigV 05-17-2007 04:01 PM
If I died, yes.

If I went to prison, yes.

If I was being returned to a country where the life was **so awful** that I bribed coyotes, faced mortal danger in shipping containers or arid desert to knowingly face an army of immigration officials sworn to catch me not to mention an increasingly hostile population for the chance to work for below market wages in non-cushy jobs to get here in the first place, and I knew my children were *entitled to stay* because they were citizens, I would leave them behind. I would consider my odyssey a success. I would have gotten *my children* to a better place, even if I could not stay with them.

Good question.

BigV 05-17-2007 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 344185)
Who said anything about ignoring warrants?
If you don't care about my house, why do you keep bringing it up and implying that I have something illegal here?
Who said anything about ignoring warrants? Me?

I only used the same language you did, substituting locations. What a difference that made!

For that matter, who said anything about due process? obeying warrants? the presumption of innocence? *only me*

rkzenrage 05-17-2007 04:09 PM
I'll start replying again when you start making sense.

jinx 05-17-2007 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 344189)
I would consider my odyssey a success. I would have gotten *my children* to a better place, even if I could not stay with them.
I don't understand.... you didn't get your children here - they were born here. You chose to start a family here, knowing you could be jailed and/or kicked out for breaking the law, knowing you would either have to leave them or take them. How is that successful? Imagine being that kid...

bluecuracao 05-17-2007 06:16 PM
Given their circumstances, they consider it worth the risk. There's a decent enough chance that they won't be jailed or deported, so it's not something they would "know" for sure.

Hopefully, the new immigration bill will pass, so a lot of this anxiety will be alleviated. Then they'll just have to worry about coming up with $5000 to pay the fine. :eek:

xoxoxoBruce 05-17-2007 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 344120)
What would you do with those children?
You tell me. I don't want them, so I guess they'll have to live at your house
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Deport *them*? Why does the formerly present, but now absent, parent's status have fuck-all to do with whether or not this young American Citizen is permitted to stay in their country?
I guess they'll have to live at your house.
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You're pretty clear on what the punishment should be here. What is the crime of the child?
I guess they'll have to live at your house.

When your neighbors dog comes over and shits in your yard, you chase him off, But the shit is now your problem because it's a citizen of your yard.

Aliantha 05-17-2007 08:54 PM
If you move the shit do you need to get a passport for it?

xoxoxoBruce 05-17-2007 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 344189)
If I was being returned to a country where the life was **so awful** that I bribed coyotes, faced mortal danger in shipping containers or arid desert
Pretty subjective. Ignorant people believing con men, does not have a prerequisite of living in a hell hole.
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to knowingly face an army of immigration officials sworn to catch me
BFD, you get a free bus ride back.
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not to mention an increasingly hostile population
and rightly so
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for the chance to work for below market wages in non-cushy jobs to get here in the first place,
nobody is forcing them...or inviting them
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and I knew my children were *entitled to stay* because they were citizens, I would leave them behind. I would consider my odyssey a success. I would have gotten *my children* to a better place, even if I could not stay with them.

Good question.
So you would rather have your kids begging in the streets, probably joining a gang for protection and selling drugs on the corner to earn their keep with the gang, than be in a nurturing family environment of poor people. You prick.

Aliantha 05-17-2007 09:02 PM
Surely there must be systems in place for the children of illegal immigrants who are deported. I can't believe American citizens would just leave a child in the street to fend for itself.

xoxoxoBruce 05-17-2007 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 344255)
If you move the shit do you need to get a passport for it?
He can't move it, it has full rights as a citizen of Big V's yard. He'll just have to accept it and learn to get along. On the bright side, it'll probably fertilize his grass for substandard wage.

Aliantha 05-17-2007 09:10 PM
It'll probably do it for nothing if he leaves it to it's own devices.

See, shit does perform a valuable service to society. :)


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