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Aliantha 03-11-2007 06:17 PM

Why not start listing what might be considered natural rights?

I'll start off with one.

The right to breath as deeply and as often as one likes.

rkzenrage 03-11-2007 06:28 PM

The right to the fruit of our labor & to pass it to our progeny.

Ibby 03-11-2007 08:16 PM

You really don't seem to understand anarcho/libertarian socialism at all, rkzenrage.

Totalitarian socialism is 'you worked, now give it to us and we might give you some back'

Anarchosocialism is 'you worked, now keep what you want/need and if you can find the slightest bit of empathy somewhere in your heart give away what you dont need to those who need it.'

Clodfobble 03-11-2007 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibram
Anarchosocialism is 'you worked, now keep what you want/need and if you can find the slightest bit of empathy somewhere in your heart give away what you dont need to those who need it.'

But you realize this is the exact opposite of what Wilde was writing about here, right? He goes on about how awful it is to have to live your life for someone else (i.e., to have empathy and choose to take care of the less fortunate) and would rather it was mandatory so he wouldn't have to think about it.

rkzenrage 03-12-2007 12:35 AM

I do believe in giving to others and sharing a portion of what I have.
That portion must be pre-set in advance, cannot be changed at random and must not be on income, but only what you physically own alone so you cannot be double taxed on the same amount.
Also, the amount taxed must be voted on by the people, not the leaders and I believe in a fixed percentage only.

Aliantha 03-12-2007 12:45 AM

geez I thought it'd take at least a few more posts to get to tax.

What about the right to live free of oppression?

rkzenrage 03-12-2007 12:55 AM

What oppression? Where does that come in?
Make that one of yours... but you have to define oppression. Is a tax oppression? Is hearing another's free speech oppression? Is having to work for your own food if you are lazy oppression?

Aliantha 03-12-2007 12:56 AM

It means people have a natural right to live free of oppression. That is slavery or servitude etc. People have the right to be free.

Aliantha 03-12-2007 12:59 AM

I've been having a think about the tax thing. I guess if we're talking about the natural rights of people, I wouldn't suggest they have a natural right to be taxed. It wouldn't be desirable.

Aliantha 03-12-2007 01:00 AM

natural rights are intangible in the main part aren't they?

rkzenrage 03-12-2007 01:03 AM

I would not say that.
I feel that there are some inalienable rights, if you believe in freedom.

Aliantha 03-12-2007 01:03 AM

such as?

Aliantha 03-12-2007 01:04 AM

stop editing your posts right after you post them. lol

rkzenrage 03-12-2007 01:38 AM

Best time to edit them... when they are soft and fresh.

Aliantha 03-12-2007 01:39 AM

lol...if you say so. That post sounded kind of gross...in an intangible sort of way.


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