UM, cuz you did! Read your own post! #37.

Yes they did, but that is not yet the goal our Government set forth - We have not completed our objectives. If we leave now it will only make for a stronger and more dangerous Iran and Syria. The ISG was done by the United States Institute of Peace (USIP) They are biased to that end - peace. Peace is great and we all want that eventually, but it is not yet time for peace. There are people who want to end our way of life and will do so the first chance they get.
Does the situation suck? Absolutely, but just because there is a lot of hard work ahead and a great unknown does not mean that we quit or give up. There is a much bigger picture here than just Iraq - it is the global threat of terrorism that must be shown we will not back down - period. I don't have any of the answers, I wish I did. But bitching and complaining (which is all you seem to do) is the worst thing that can happen right now. Our country cannot leave - we need another solution - perhaps you should put forth your efforts to that end instead of being so fucking negative.

You are completely blinded by your political parties views that it is borderline treasonous. You claim to be so freakin smart - prove it! Thought ideas and input are what is needed not degrading our elected leadership- that makes us look worse, accomplishes nothing, undermines our country and threatens our lives.

Well here is that post #37: Do you understand what the "US" is? Do you regard the entire nation as one big government? Even China is not that monolithic. To not understand what I have posted, you assume each nation as a monolithic block. Stop doing that. That was the point of post #37 that you still do not comprehend. You are still buying into this 'black and white' lie of evil Syria and evil Iran. Did you know, for example, that before "Mission Accomplished", Syria was a major source of spying for the US? How can this be if they were American enemies? Guess what. Eliminate that black and white world promoted by extremist rhetoric. Only a fool thinks Iraq is about Syrian and Iranian dominance.

Yes, there is political contesting between us. And there are also many political interests that we all share. Did you understand why your attitudes are so contradictory to what is published by the Iraq Study Group? Do you understand that you post disdain for other nations actively promoted on Fox News and by George Jr?

Does the situation suck? Of course. That was lessons of history and military science 101. That is why planning for the peace before war starts was so necessary - and not done by those who know only using political agendas. That is the point made so obvious in PBS Frontline's The Lost Year. Did you view it yet - or do you just somehow know it is communist inspired propaganda?

Funny how you only see bitching and never see solutions. Solutions were repeatedly defined. And since George Jr have made those solutions impossible, the Iraq Study Group is our only viable resolution. Did you read that either - or just know from what you heard? And again you have been brainwashed by Fox News, CBN, Fox News, and other purveyors of wacko extremism. For if global terrorism really was the agenda, then when do you ask this question? "When do we go after bin Laden?"

Why so much silence from Yesman065? The #1 example of terrorism and Yesman065 does not ask that question weekly? Instead we are fighting bin Laden in iraq? Yesman065 - at what point do you see the irony of your own beliefs?

Getting bin Laden is not a political agenda promoted by Fox News and the mental midget. Stop associating yourself with such anti-Americans. What political party would that be? Since you made the statement, then you clearly know what my political party is. After all, Yesman065 would not post without first learning facts? Yesman065 would not label me treasonous without first learning facts - would he? Clearly you know what my political party is. Name it? Or is this another embarrassing question you will not answer.

I don't make any claims of being smart. I first learn facts before having an opinion. I also claim to confront what I regard as classic anti-Americans - those who somehow know without first learning facts. The soundbyte description of those same radical extremists? Liars.

If you think for one minute that we are somehow fighting terrorism in Iraq to keep it out of America, then you are clearly having an opinion not based in the facts and in the lessons of history. You are doing exactly what 'big dics' did in the 1960s to justify Vietnam. Conclusions that twisted politically biased speculations into proclaimed fact - the Domino Theory. Conclusions inspired because McCarthyism must be right. Learn from history. Did you read the Pentagon Papers? Making of a Quagmire? A Bright and Shining Lie? Why not?

How do you know that a president with a long history of lying is not lying again? Where are your facts? Meanwhile, instead of bitching, I am again posting solutions. One of them is for you to first learn before just knowing something. Posted is reading so that you learn lessons of history. These solutions were posted repeatedly previously. Did you learn from them?

I don't claim to be smart. I only conclude based upon facts, trends, numbers, history ... and with a total contempt for decisions based in a political agenda and biased speculations. Stopping terrorism in Iraq? Also true if you believe there is a light in the end of the tunnel. If you think Iraq is about stopping world wide terrorism, then you are using classic 'big dic' thinking promoted by America’s anti-American leadership.

The draft is a bad thing, conscription is not the answer. Pay your people well to attract them to the job, and train the hell out of them.

These "people" ( Islamic terrorists) are barbarians, and beneath our contempt.
I for one do not want to use my guns to defend my neighborhood against a bunch of "Islamic" nut cases. I would rather shoot Pepsi cans, and paper targets.
As fer as Israel is concerned, we need to remember that these people survived the holocaust,(yes Adolph it really happened) and do not want a repeat of history.

Right. The answer to the (patently ignored) question "How much support did the US Government give the IRA?" is "None at all", which breaks the IRA analogy in the case of Iran.

Iran, who is supplying the insurgency with materiel, currently in the form of shaped explosive charges that are specifically anti-tank. And expertise in the form of senior military personnel.

[quote]the Iraq Study Group is our only viable resolution. Did you read that either - or just know from what you heard?[quote]

[quote]I don't make any claims of being smart. I first learn facts before having an opinion.[quote]

[quote]And again you have been brainwashed by Fox News, CBN, Fox News, and other purveyors of wacko extremism.[quote]

I thought tw's point about the IRA was that the funding was coming from private Americans rather than the gummint? He has taken the density up a couple notches though...

If we are trying to get out - that was their recommendation. What did they offer as an alternative if we stayed? I read the report - did you?
Well then stop acting like you are better than everyone else and writing like whatever you say is right, just and should be taken as gospel.
OMG - And you are supposed to be Mr. Impartial? Get real - there is no one more biased to an extreme than YOU. You have your little agenda and you come here spouting your "facts", many of which are wrong, and then sidestep the actual point made until it is lost under mountains of misinformation and conjecture.

I have to stop if I keep going at this with you I'll probably get banned and you are certainly not worth that. I value this place too much

It's an analogy. "Just like".
The US Gov tried successfully and unsuccessfully to stop it.

Private individuals in the US were - and maybe still are - the source of funding for many anti-US middle east terrorist organizations via fake charities, just like the IRA situation. It's no surprise. This is where the money is.

tw drives everyone up the wall at some point. That is understood and will be available as evidence at trial.

Thats good to know cuz I sure as hell won't have any character references comin from here. - thanks

of course. it was the Illuminati ! :D

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...94186333362123

i dont agree with the attacking of other members, but i mostly agree with TW's post above. why is it so hard to believe the govt's are not telling the truth and the whole truth? people should question their govts, and probe for the truth. there is enough information coming out to bolster the opinion that there is a hidden agenda in just about everything our govts do. try to imagine what theyre NOT telling us.

I don't think any gov't ever anywhere told "the masses" all of what was/is going on. There are hidden agendas in every Gov't. I can honestly say that we probably don't want to know what they aren't telling us. For example, the London cell plot that was recently exposed. Having things like that happen or knowing they were about to potentially happen here in America would NOT be a good thing.

how so?

Uh, Mass panic, utter disorder, paranoia. . . Please?