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Shocker 11-27-2006 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123
Also, there is an underlying theme in other's posts that says, basically, that success is defined by wealth.

SO not true, and such a sad way to view what life is all about.

I think they are only refering to the amount of someone's economic success, but yeah there are lots of different ways you can view success.

As far as how hard you work tied to how much you make, it is unfortunate that people that can work hard, tiring, and difficult jobs are not making more for their efforts. I know that it can seem frustrating sometimes, and the reasoning behind it is complicated at best. Financial compensation isn't just tied to what your job is, but also how effectively you do it, how easy you are to replace, how much time and money the company already has invested in you, the level of your skills, your drive to learn new skills to expand your usefulness to the company, whether you can lead, innovate, adaptablilty to change, etc....

Shawnee123 11-27-2006 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Shocker
As far as how hard you work tied to how much you make, it is unfortunate that people that can work hard, tiring, and difficult jobs are not making more for their efforts.

This is very true of many who are in jobs similar to mine, but most any other institution I could go to would pay more for less work. So, why don't I move on? I love my boss, love my coworkers (most of them), I have very flexible scheduling, I'm very close to home, and I feel I have invested so much of myself in this job and this place I have a certain degree of loyalty. We went through a radical change a couple years ago, and I can't go into to details but it almost killed all of us from stress (these are changes we ourselves implemented because it was the right thing to do) so I feel very woven into the fabric of my job.

So, you all have a point: I COULD move on and make more $$ if I chose to, but the other factors are very important to me, for now anyway. How many people can say they love their jobs?

But, I wish I were paid what I'm worth, so that's hard too.

DanaC 11-27-2006 04:48 PM

Shawnee you make a lot of sense.

xoxoxoBruce 11-28-2006 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123
big snip~ I COULD move on and make more $$ if I chose to, but the other factors are very important to me, for now anyway. How many people can say they love their jobs?

On the other hand, if you hate your job, dread dragging your butt in every day, can't wait to leave, it won't make your life longer but it will sure seem that way. :lol:

Seriously though, if you have a job you love going to.....or staying home at....you would be nuts to leave, unless financial or social pressure made it a necessity.

Aliantha 11-29-2006 12:53 AM

Can anyone here say ''social capital"?

9th Engineer 11-29-2006 04:06 PM

I can say it but I'm not sure what you're talking about.

DanaC 11-29-2006 04:42 PM

I think that rather answers Ali's unspoken question

Aliantha 11-29-2006 05:04 PM

Google it 9th. It refers to the advantages some students have over others because of not only wealth, but the knowledge of their parents and likelihood of them being introduced to different forms of 'culture'.

There is a massive amount of research on this topic, and it's something worth familiarising yourself with as a student yourself. Might help you understand where you got some of your ideas about right and wrong.

Edit: because I'm expecting a negative response to this idea, I'll find some links later on and post them for you.

rkzenrage 11-29-2006 05:11 PM

That some have to work harder than others to get the same things is not wrong, it is nature.

Happy Monkey 11-29-2006 05:13 PM

Nature can't be wrong?

DanaC 11-29-2006 05:15 PM

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That some have to work harder than others to get the same things is not wrong, it is nature.
Nature and society, are two different things. To a large extent, society acts as an ameliorating force on nature.

rkzenrage 11-29-2006 05:16 PM

All things are nature, in nature... no such thing as un-natural. You cannot be out of nature.
I am dyslexic and got very pissed when I hear others who are whine about not having things given to them when in school. I graduated on the Presidents list and on the national honor roll, as well as Gold Key. Just hard work. Some think that is too much to ask of them.
Just work harder... that is all.
Everyone has to at something... it is the way of things and is correct. Builds character.

Aliantha 11-29-2006 05:17 PM

Why should a young einstein be withheld from the world at large simply because she comes from a poor black family who don't realize the potential of their daughter because they're not educated enough to see it?

rkzenrage 11-29-2006 05:18 PM

There is no "why", it just happens.

jinx 11-29-2006 05:23 PM

Everyone has the right to believe and accept what they want, but reality doesn’t discriminate. Reality is not different for different people. Not once has reality excused anyone for good intentions, ignorance, or stubbornness. Reality shows no mercy, accepts no excuses, and issues no pardons. Reality does not “turn the other cheek.” This does not mean that reality is cruel, it just means that reality is. - Gary Ryan Blair





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