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Originally Posted by Hippikos

Today even Bush's own GOP members don't want him around on election tour being a risk factor...

He is still pimping for the truly desperate ones. There was a recent sighting in my district.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

True, but not because he's a total pariah.
The faithful, like UG, still kiss the bottom of the boots trampling their rights.

They don't want him around because they are trying to fool the moderates into thinking they are not part of the problem and the stupid into thinking they are part of the solution. :right:

Faitfull UG has a brown arm with every person on the right side of Junior...

What you mental maladroits have great trouble understanding is there is no rights-trampling going on. What IS happening is the Administration has been trying to exert war powers without a declaration of war, nor, alas, any likelihood of having one. This is not quite a cleft stick, but definitely in the realm of between a rock and a hard place.

It's the rock and hard place the next Administration will be between also. Wars of insurgency are pretty open-ended. We should be open-ended about it too.

Test your civil liberties. How many of you have been arrested for your Bush bashing here? How many of you can't go to church? Been jailed for submitting a grievance or petition? Go out and buy a gun in town -- is that forbidden? How many infantrymen are quartered in your basement or living room? Any unreasonable SOB searched your skivvies while you were in them? Have you been made to incriminate yourself after getting busted for Bush bashing? Et bloody damn cetera.

Getting abuse from leftists and other peculiar mooncalves is, of course, a badge of honor. Recall the behavior of the "confederacy of dunces." Dunces who can't spell faithful, which is hardly the most challenging of words.

I couldn't name a one of those "US citizens," rkzen.

The man and his cabinet are fighting a war pressed upon us by other people -- and after prolonged effort. Their lot has been committing acts of war against us since the first half of 1983, and had been very publicly working up to it for ten years previous to that.

I say we've been entirely too long-suffering. Let's alter their entire set of political equations and power balances. Democracies are better behaved than un-democracies. Where are the democracies not? Those are the places our troubles come from.

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

If we use their tactics, we are them.

Rkzen, I view that as a fallacy: Nazi Germany conquered the greater part of Europe. Then we, the Allies, conquered it right back. We weren't, and aren't now, Nazis.

We win the war against them, we aren't them. Lose it, and what are our choices? Offhand, I'd say they are between become them and fight another, larger, more ruinous war. Nuclear attacks definitely fall under the heading of "ruinous."