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HungLikeJesus 02-06-2008 08:13 AM

I forgot to check one of the boundary values. For n = 52!, P should equal one. Instead, for n = 52!, P = (52!-1)/2, so something is not right.

Spexxvet 02-06-2008 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 430138)
lol - I can't even follow that!

Yeah I was thinking n=52????????????????????, not 52!

classicman 02-06-2008 08:25 AM

and I thought "n" was a letter not a number - silly me.

Shawnee123 02-06-2008 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 430196)
I forgot to check one of the boundary values. For n = 52!, P should equal one. Instead, for n = 52!, P = (52!-1)/2, so something is not right.

Then, what is this n? Does n=52 or does n=number of shuffles?

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 430116)
I'd better present my logic to see if anyone disagrees.

(n*(n-1))/(2*52!) = P; solve for P, where P = probability of 2 or more matching shuffled decks in n shuffles.



Spexxvet 02-06-2008 08:33 AM

I think n=n.

Shawnee123 02-06-2008 08:35 AM

lmao

You damn kids and your new math.

HungLikeJesus 02-06-2008 08:38 AM

n represents the number of shuffles. When the decks have been shuffled 52! times (52x51x50x...x2x1), all possible combinations --- hey, I think you're right! I've been thinking about this wrong. You don't have to encounter every possible combination to get two that match. Maybe my original calculations were right. I will think about it while I shower. I hope this B&B has a lot of hot water.

Shawnee123 02-06-2008 08:42 AM

Can we watch...um, er...I mean watch the mathematical genius as his mind dazzles with brilliance and...

Flint 02-06-2008 08:52 AM

Just give me a number so I can slap you in the face with it. I haven't met my quota for scathing remarks this morning.

HungLikeJesus 02-06-2008 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 430216)
Can we watch...um, er...I mean watch the mathematical genius as his mind dazzles with brilliance and...

Sorry, I have to be up to the big house in 10 minutes, to get the second B of this B&B.

Flint 02-06-2008 09:24 AM

Buttsecks and barbecue?

HungLikeJesus 02-06-2008 09:29 AM

Well, it is Montana. Rules are rules.

After last night, I hope it's not too spicy.

skysidhe 02-06-2008 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 430138)
lol - I can't even follow that!

I think that's the point

:lol: busting a gut

Happy Monkey 02-06-2008 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 430196)
I forgot to check one of the boundary values. For n = 52!, P should equal one.

No, P will never be one. You are never guaranteed to get a match.

Clodfobble 02-06-2008 11:39 AM

Yes you are, because the outcomes are limited--it's like if you have four different colors of socks, and you choose five socks. Your fifth sock must match one of the other four.


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