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Flint 03-19-2019 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 1028599)
I can't post the graph in the Cellar, because it's animation/software, but it's really worth clicking and checking out.

A population race between the largest cities of the world over half a millennium.

Cool. Guangzhou? ... Also known as 'Canton' ...guess that's why I've heard of Cantonese.

Gravdigr 03-19-2019 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 1028599)
I can't post the graph in the Cellar, because it's animation/software, but it's really worth clicking and checking out.

A population race between the largest cities of the world over half a millennium.

Firefox gives me a blank page when I follow that link.

So does IE.

Just FYI.

fargon 03-19-2019 02:12 PM

Chrome works just fine.

Gravdigr 03-19-2019 02:16 PM

I'll never see it, then.

Won't use Chrome.

fargon 03-19-2019 02:18 PM

Why not? We've been using it for years with no problems.

Gravdigr 03-19-2019 02:21 PM

There seems to be a lot of ocurrences of this situation:

I can't see the web page unless I'm using Chrome?

That alone earns them the Fuck You Award™.

Happy Monkey 03-19-2019 09:09 PM

Firefox shows it fine for me.

Clodfobble 03-19-2019 10:22 PM

Wow--look at Vijayanagara just plummet off the map in 1565.

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Wars with nearby Muslim Sultanates and Hindu Vijayanagara continued through the 16th century. In 1565, the Vijayanagara leader was captured and beheaded, the city fell to a coalition of Muslim Sultanates. The conquered capital city of Vijayanagara was looted and destroyed, after which it remained in ruins.

xoxoxoBruce 03-19-2019 11:42 PM

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Yes, those a a good way to show changes over time.

How did people meet their spouse?
Internet in the 60's and 70's ?? :confused: ??

Gravdigr 03-20-2019 10:39 AM

Wonder if the couples-that-met-online-numbers jibe with a rise in the divorce rate?

Griff 03-20-2019 11:52 AM

Just the opposite actually.

tw 03-20-2019 08:54 PM

What category includes Woodstock, Isle of Wright, SxSW, and the Monterey Pop Music Festival? Or do sex, drugs, and rock & roll not result in marriages?

Curious is a relationship over the decades between college and church.

Gravdigr 03-21-2019 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 1028727)
Or do sex, drugs, and rock & roll not result in marriages?

It results in children...

Sperlock 03-23-2019 11:15 AM

I was wondering about the Internet part of the 60s and 70s - the 60s I can't explain, but the 70s could be stretched to include the earliest instances of bulletin board systems.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1028676)
Yes, those a a good way to show changes over time.

How did people meet their spouse?
Internet in the 60's and 70's ?? :confused: ??


Undertoad 03-23-2019 11:40 AM

http://cellar.org/img/race-ratings-2016.jpg

I see the races as equal so I am a black Trump voter*. All you black Clinton voters, white Trump voters, and white Clinton voters are goddamn racists.




*not actually any of those three things

xoxoxoBruce 03-23-2019 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1028884)
All you black Clinton voters, white Trump voters, and white Clinton voters are goddamn racists.

Fixed that for you, now it's true. They range from blatant all the way to fight bad feelings/try hard to hide them, on to color?.

tw 03-23-2019 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 1028757)
It results in children...

Are they now called Crack babies?

Gravdigr 03-24-2019 12:06 PM

They are called offspring.

sexobon 03-24-2019 01:30 PM

No one expects the offspringqisiti … oh never mind.

xoxoxoBruce 03-24-2019 11:10 PM

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Everybody dies, some have help...

Gravdigr 03-25-2019 11:51 AM

Fuck the rifles...Maybe we ought to be rounding up the bad doctors.

xoxoxoBruce 03-25-2019 05:36 PM

I thought it was strange to do rifles and not handguns. Take the medical malpractice with a grain of salt, there's plenty of sympathetic juries feeling sorry for people who had a bad outcome that was completely out of the Doctor & Co's hands. Also Insurance Companies looking for the cheapest way out.

Flint 03-25-2019 06:14 PM

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The less confidence people have in media and government institutions, the harder it is for information coming from one of these sources to override their partisan judgments. There are very few sources that are seen as politically neutral, and the quality of information is determined by the perceived political alignment of the source.
...
Court rulings are evaluated by whether the deciding judge was appointed by a Republican or a Democrat. Congressional reports are judged by which party controlled the committee that produced them.

Robert Mueller and the collapse of American trust

xoxoxoBruce 03-26-2019 12:30 AM

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Hmm...

xoxoxoBruce 03-27-2019 11:35 PM

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Them jailbirds is costing me money... better than me costing them money though.

Griff 03-28-2019 06:24 AM

462,000 not convicted. We have a bail problem in local jails.

Spexxvet 03-28-2019 07:47 AM

http://cellar.org/attachment.php?att...1&d=1553747717

The graphic does nothing to counter any of those myths

Gravdigr 03-28-2019 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1029212)
Them jailbirds is costing me money...

I was costing you $135 a day thirty yrs ago.Attachment 66926

xoxoxoBruce 03-28-2019 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 1029241)
http://cellar.org/attachment.php?att...1&d=1553747717

The graphic does nothing to counter any of those myths

The report the graphic comes from does.

xoxoxoBruce 03-28-2019 09:49 PM

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Tornado :eek:

Griff 03-29-2019 06:36 AM

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Is God trying to tell the Southern Baptists something? ;)

Gravdigr 03-29-2019 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 1029321)
Is God trying to tell the Southern Baptists something? ;)

NFC. No way to know what the text says.

Griff 03-29-2019 03:04 PM

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Just that tornado warnings are more frequent in Southern Baptist country. Riffing off the televangelists who tie weather events to "bad people."

Flint 03-29-2019 03:21 PM

too big, please smaller it

Griff 03-29-2019 03:25 PM

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Okay Mama Bear.

Flint 03-29-2019 03:39 PM

can I speak to your manager?

Griff 03-29-2019 03:46 PM

My manager is much worser.

Flint 03-29-2019 04:05 PM

i'm decides that!

tw 03-29-2019 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 1029321)
Is God trying to tell the Southern Baptists something?

Why does god consider everyone in Utah an atheist?

xoxoxoBruce 03-29-2019 11:36 PM

No, I don't.

tw 03-30-2019 09:10 AM

You can always tell who the top man is. His name is shortest - three letters - god. When one gets demoted, then the length of his title gets longer - 11 letters.

xoxoxoBruce 04-03-2019 12:53 AM

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Don't make me smite you, pissant.

It's only #2 but Texas still be big...

xoxoxoBruce 04-03-2019 11:06 PM

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Power to the people...

Griff 04-04-2019 06:26 AM

PA more backwards looking than SC... checks out.

Spexxvet 04-04-2019 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 1029706)
PA more backwards looking than SC... checks out.

SC has no fossil fuel reserves or production, we have the Marcellus shale. Their forward lookingness is by default, most likely

Undertoad 04-04-2019 09:00 AM

Blue states are generally where there are nuclear plants, dams, or where the state imports their electricity. SC has 4 nuke plants, PA has 5. IN is flat and has no nukes. WA has 33 hydroelectric-producing dams. VT imports 40% of its power.

xoxoxoBruce 04-04-2019 10:31 AM

Yes, PA has 5 nukes and we don't all glow in the dark, imagine that. Who've thought nukes can be safe. :rolleyes:

Gravdigr 04-04-2019 11:35 AM

3 Mile Island anniversary was just a few days ago...Just sayin'.

Undertoad 04-04-2019 11:46 AM

I know, I was within the 20 mile radius along with all my friends!

I favor nukes 100%, there have long since been new designs which would have prevented the TMI problem.

Gravdigr 04-04-2019 12:12 PM

I got no probs w/nukey energy.

tw 04-04-2019 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 1029735)
I got no probs w/nukey energy.

Never forget why TMI2 happened. They knew they had a problem at 4 AM. Desperately called corporate saying they needed help. The only guy in corporate who knew anything about nuclear power was on National Guard duty. So management told plant operators that everything was OK. And continued telling the press same for three days.

As things got worse, plant operators could not even place outgoing phone calls. Management would not even ask Bell of PA to provide upgraded service or more phone lines. A solution did not happen until Jimmy Carter (after a request from the PA Governor) connected all phones in TMI directly through the White House switchboard.

Just another example of why we are so damn lucky and the thing that makes nuclear power so dangerous. In this case, 99% of all problems were directly traceable to top management. Top management lies so often that the press ignored everything that GPU top management said.

xoxoxoBruce 04-04-2019 03:10 PM

Every time we built a nuke they changed to rules and regulations, so no two were alike and more expensive. In France they settled on a design and built them all the same which was much cheaper.
The Westinghouse Pressurized Water Reactor system was reasonably safe in that the radioactive water transfers the heat in a heat exchanger to the water that became steam and drove the turbines.
GE came out with the cheaper Boiling Water Reactor System where the radioactive steam drove the turbines making the machinery and turbine hall hot. In order to overhaul the turbines, the radioactive parts would be shipped back to GE for machining.

The real problem with the nukes is how to dispose of the spent fuel, but all they have to do is build a wall out of it.;)

Rhianne 04-04-2019 05:04 PM

And it's not just the nuclear stations and the disposal of their waste we have to worry about, hydro-electric stations seem to be causing just about as many and more immediate problems.

Around the globe dams are failing and it turns out that a whole load of them, even in what we call the developed world, were shoddily built and have been even more poorly maintained.

fargon 04-04-2019 06:03 PM

High Rhianne, how goes it?

Griff 04-05-2019 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1029750)
The real problem with the nukes is how to dispose of the spent fuel, but all they have to do is build a wall out of it.;)

This is the only real issue. A functional government would have settled it long ago.

Rhianne 04-05-2019 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by fargon (Post 1029764)
High Rhianne, how goes it?

Just about hanging together. I hope you are well.

Gravdigr 04-05-2019 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 1029785)
This is the only real issue. A functional government would have settled it long ago.

Don't they break up the spent fuel rods into bullet-sized pieces and shoot them at brown people in sandy places?

xoxoxoBruce 04-06-2019 01:14 AM

Don't want to help fuel their nuclear program.;)

tw 04-06-2019 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 1029794)
Don't they break up the spent fuel rods into bullet-sized pieces and shoot them at brown people in sandy places?

Something like 3% of Uranium gets used in those rods. Problem is those rods are still highly radioactive. And now contains Plutonium.

Uranium ore has less than 1% U-235. Depleted Uranium is the byproduct after removing as much U-235 as possible So depleted Uranium is even less radioactive.

MOX fuel is the process of extracting both Uranium and Plutonium. Then combining those materials to create another useful nuclear fuel. It has not been successfully used in the US but is more commonly used in Russia, Japan, and France. It could substantially reduce the amount of spent nuclear uranium rods. But makes Plutonium proliferation (nuclear weapons and 'dirty' bombs) easier.

slang 04-09-2019 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by slang (Post 1027753)
:headbag: :blush:

[MuffledByPaperBag]

Wikipedia, NYT, Wired, Reddit and themillenniumreport.com not credible?

Let me see if I can hack into DoD and look around. This might take some time.

[/MuffledByPaperBag]


Hours of searching strange sites ( other than the above ) and I've found the reference that I was looking for.

It's a book in German with no translation and not available in Kindle.

Another project.

It might be a while before I get to it. Grief councilors are on standby.


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