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Radar 05-25-2007 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 346800)
I heard on the news the other night a kid (9 years old?) was caught in gang crossfire as he was playing outside, riding his bike. He was killed.

If that 9 year old had his own gun this never would have happened.:right:

Gang members report the gun was not meant for killing; they were going to use it to stir a big pot of beef stew and it just went off. ;)

Yes, let's all tell the gangs to willingly give up all guns, and then we can live under rainbows with the Easter Bunny and Peter Pan. Oh wait, this is reality and there are bad people in the world.

Only an idiot would try to use the force of government to limit which methods people may use to defend themselves and then use those who violate the law as a reason for attacking the rights of those who don't.

monster 05-25-2007 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 346675)
Actually, it doesn't "give" the right; it acknowledges that the right exists already, inhering in being a human.

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Originally Posted by monster (Post 346776)
mybad poor wording

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Originally Posted by Radar (Post 346948)
The Constitution doesn't "give" us any rights. It protects the rights we're born with.

:rolleyes:

Radar 05-25-2007 02:41 PM

Replied when I read your post. I don't read the whole thread and then go back to see what I want to reply to.

Shawnee123 05-25-2007 02:50 PM

Make a joke around here or disagree and get labeled an "idiot" and "ignorant." Oh, I forgot where I was. This is the Cellar, after all. :rolleyes:

HungLikeJesus 05-25-2007 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 346637)
I have no idea what I speak? Maybe you should try to understand what I say before you rant on something I am not talking about.

I know guns can be used for other purposes, but their main purpose is to kill. In modern day society, the chainsaw's, knife's, and baseball bat's main purpose is not to kill, but for some other reason.

PHE - (sorry if this has already been discussed - I've skipped around in this thread a bit) - Why do police (in the US) carry guns? Their stated mission is, generally, "to serve and protect."

I'm not taking a side in this debate, but just looking for a different perspective.

Radar 05-25-2007 02:55 PM

Sarcasm doesn't convey well in text. Also I apologize. Just getting sick of Spexxvet lying, being an asshole, and attempting to attack my birthright.

My right to own any number of any kind of gun without any permission or oversight on the part of the government is no less or more important than his/her right to breathe.

Spexxvet 05-25-2007 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar (Post 346963)
Just getting sick of Spexxvet lying, being an asshole, and attempting to attack my birthright.
...

I was not an asshole until you started with the insults, asshole. Please cite where I have lied or attacked your birthright. I have done neither, and those who make claims to the contrary are only displaying their own personal bias and complete ignorance in the matter.

Shawnee123 05-25-2007 03:06 PM

I'm not mad. I do try to stay out of gun threads but I just thought that story was an interesting sidebar. I see both sides on this issue; though I don't care for guns, as a woman living alone I wonder sometimes.

And, I'm too sarcastic for my own good. It gets me into trouble even IRL!

Spexxvet 05-25-2007 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar (Post 337492)
... You also have the right to drink alcohol when you've reached the age of majority (18)....

Why do you feel justified in limiting the rights of minors to drink alcohol, but will not tolerate ANY limitations on gun ownership?

monster 05-25-2007 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 346988)
Why do you feel justified in limiting the rights of minors to drink alcohol, but will not tolerate ANY limitations on gun ownership?

Are minors allowed to own guns?

wolf 05-25-2007 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by monster (Post 346990)
Are minors allowed to own guns?

No.

piercehawkeye45 05-25-2007 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HLJ (Post 346961)
PHE - (sorry if this has already been discussed - I've skipped around in this thread a bit) - Why do police (in the US) carry guns? Their stated mission is, generally, "to serve and protect."

I'm not taking a side in this debate, but just looking for a different perspective.

They carry guns so they can kill if they feel threatened. If they shoot their gun they are told to kill.

Radar 05-25-2007 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 346970)
I was not an asshole until you started with the insults, asshole. Please cite where I have lied or attacked your birthright. I have done neither, and those who make claims to the contrary are only displaying their own personal bias and complete ignorance in the matter.

You've lied when you claimed I had no right to own a gun, and you've attacked my birthright to own one. You've dishonestly suggested that gun owners are nuts as opposed to those who are truly insane by attacking their rights.

You are presented with facts and you deny them.

Radar 05-25-2007 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 346988)
Why do you feel justified in limiting the rights of minors to drink alcohol, but will not tolerate ANY limitations on gun ownership?

I don't feel justified in limiting the rights of anyone. Minors have no rights other than basic human rights. They may not make decisions for themselves; only their parents may do it.

If a parent wants to allow a minor to drink alcohol at home, I have no problem with it.

Spexxvet 05-25-2007 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar (Post 347042)
You've lied when you claimed I had no right to own a gun, and you've attacked my birthright to own one.

You're lying. Quote me.

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Originally Posted by Radar (Post 347042)
You've dishonestly suggested that gun owners are nuts ...

That would not be dishonesty, it would be my opinion. Quote me.

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Originally Posted by Radar (Post 347042)
You are presented with facts and you deny them.

I deny facts? Facts can't be denied. Quote me.

Come on, Radar, back up your attack with some evidence.


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