Maybe the fact that they hate us is because we are over there killing them. For every civilian we kill over there, ten more are going to grow up hating us.

Do you know how the American Revolution started to gain steam? The British would hurt innocent civilians and kill their neighbors. So they would hate the British for what they did to them, even if their neighbor started it first.

You would blow up civilians in crowded markets just like the Iraqi insurgents do?
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I don't believe that that is common to Iraqi insurgents. More illegal immigrants there to continue their campaign of terror (that they would not be doing if we had not invaded and occupied an non-threat nation)... I was talking more along the line of direct fighting and blowing-up their vehicles, gorilla warfare.
Yes, I would do that.
Targeting civilians, no, in no way.

It's not just Iraqis vs. Americans. It's also a power struggle between the different religious factions.

It would be like if the Russians invaded the US, and the Baptists took the opportunity to go into a Catholic neighborhood to blow up a Walmart there, and any Russian soldiers they might see in the area too.

We aren't over there intentionally killing civilians PH. Of course there are unintentional casualties, but they are not the enemy. Iraqi insurgents are being included as civilian deaths as well. Not all of them are over there wearing a bright sign that says "ENEMY" on it. Many Iraqi civilians are being killed by the enemy as well. Of course, thats our fault too.

It's a lose lose situation. I can't be certain but I would guess that Iraqis are more pissed at their poor living conditions than anything.

I think its a very different culture over there and the vast majority have absolutely no concept of what a democracy is or could be. They have no idea how wonderful life can be. All they've ever known is the same bullshit and fragmented society. Freedom is a word without a definition to them. Something they've never had nor can grasp.
Furthermore, those that oppose us wish to continue to exert their control upon the masses or gain more by any means - for their own gain/profit or power. Too bad we'll probably never be able to give the power back to the people - its a sin really.

We are not giving them freedom. We are running into their house, taking their possessions and peeing on them on the way out.

We have to slowly give them democracy or they will reject it. Also, I bet the USSR was saying almost the exact same thing as you 60 years ago.

Yep...that has always been the Bush=Hitler policy...according to the MSM.....Keith Oberman told me so...


Haaaaa...Haaaaaaa...

Really???? We have to GIVE them democracy???

I don't know what the point of your remark was since you said the exact same thing.

My point is that the people are not in power. maybe its semantics, but we can't force a democracy on them we can only give them the power to choose whatever form of Gov't they want to have. They certainly didn't choose what they have had.

I'm going to be recycling some of the stuff I used in this thread on an essay I have to write in class in a few days about Social Contracts and Current Events and stuff like that, so I'm just stating that I'm the writer of all that stuff and such so I can argue that I wasnt plagarising anyone but myself.

Don't you dare Ibram - Use us all as interviewees and then reference us at the end -
can you say "bonus points?" ;)

Nah, its an in-class essay on social contracts for a class that doesnt REALLY encourage out of the box thinking as much as it should.