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jinx 09-12-2007 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by neowinharry (Post 384432)
if you replace coffee with the green tea then its very beneficial. It provides you far more then the coffee provides you.

What about all the fluoride it provides? :greenface

Shawnee123 09-12-2007 12:23 PM

Green tea is to coffee as salsa is to ketchup.

fargon 09-12-2007 12:31 PM

Koffy GOOOOD!!!:coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :shocking:

9th Engineer 09-12-2007 12:57 PM

Pure ambrosia in a cup. I like african coffees the best personally, but a friend of mine recently suggested switching to an asian coffee during the winter. They're richer and have a deeper flavor, but a little overwhelming if you prefer lighter and more complex flavors.

glatt 09-12-2007 01:47 PM

I enjoy coffee.

Flint 09-12-2007 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 384596)
I enjoy coffee.

That's not the question, you middle-of-the-road pansy. Things have to be GOOD or EVIL!

Sundae 09-13-2007 05:20 AM

I have to say evil, purely from the caffeine content.
My GP suggested I cut out all caffeine to help me sleep, so I switched to de-caff tea (no taste difference) and I can't get excited about instant de-caff coffee so I've just given it up totally.

I don't really enjoy caffeine buzz anyway - it feels like my head is big and echo-y and I twitch like a bastard.

kerosene 09-13-2007 10:07 AM

I drink coffee on ice all day long. Probably too much...

Shawnee123 09-13-2007 10:39 AM

I'm immune to caffeine. I drink diet coke and coffee all day long. I do have occasional problems sleeping but it seems unrelated to caffeine consumption; drinking more or less in a given day does not coincide with sleeplessness, though my stress of that day will.

I mean, we gotta give up cigarettes, and drinks, and pot, and sex, and preservatives ;) and processed flour products, and any food that tastes good. Caffeine will be my last bastion of viceness!

Cicero 09-13-2007 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 384837)
I mean, we gotta give up cigarettes, and drinks, and pot, and sex, and preservatives ;) and processed flour products, and any food that tastes good.

What?!? What the hell Shawnee? I thought we were friends?!? What talk is this- as soon as I saw it- I knew this thread was no good....but now this?


The question is not whether coffee is good or evil....The question is: is asking that question born of pure evil? To cast doubt where none is deserved like that? This is irresponsible slander! Why is this thread so long? What is to discuss here?
Is Shawnee good or evil?
See how that works?!?
:D
I'm going to go see who started this nonsense! Not only is this slanderous- but since it has been posted for the whole world to see on the internet- it is libel!
You can take my life and my liberty but I will be damned to the rankest and darkest level of hell before you get my java.

lumberjim 09-13-2007 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 384837)
I'm immune to caffeine. I drink diet coke and coffee all day long. I do have occasional problems sleeping but it seems unrelated to caffeine consumption; drinking more or less in a given day does not coincide with sleeplessness, though my stress of that day will.



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What are the effects of Caffeinism (caffeine overdose)?

As you have learned before Caffeine stimulates the central nervous system and can produce other effects through out the rest of the body. The symptoms of a caffeine overdose ("caffeinism") varies according to individual differences and the amount consumed. Doses ranging from 250 to 750 mg (2 to 7 cups of coffee) can produce restlessness, nausea, headache, tense muscles, sleep disturbances, and irregular heart beats it can also cause Anorexia. Doses of over 750 mg (7 cups of coffee) can produce a reaction similar to an anxiety attack, including delirium, ringing ears, and light flashes. These amounts of caffeine may come from a single dose or from many doses in a short period of time.


What are the long term effects that Caffeine can produce?

ULCERS is believed to be caused partially by Caffeine because Caffeine increases the secretion of acids and pepsin in the stomach, which could increase an already existing ulcer. But it isn't definite that Caffeine is responsible for this, tests were done that proved that both caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee inflamed ulcers. HEART PROBLEMS more seriously can be caused by Caffeine. Caffeine has been shown to cause cardiac arrhythmia's (irregular heartbeats) in certain people; often people with heart disease are told to avoid caffeine altogether. However, no evidence shows that caffeine is a causative factor in the development of heart disease.


Cicero 09-13-2007 12:34 PM

Beats the massive heart attack I could have suffered by now.

~snip~Coffee is Good For Most People – Reduces Risk For Heart Disease Parkinsons And Diabetes – Antioxidants Can Reduce Inflammation



A new study suggests that coffee can reduce the risk of inflammation and cardiovascular disease. This is more good news for coffee drinkers. Researchers have known that both coffee and tea are high in antioxidants which help remove unstable molecules in your body called free radicals.

Free radicals contribute to the oxidative process and over time can cause inflammation and other unhealthy changes in your cells. This study involved 27,000 postmenopausal women and concluded that by inhibiting inflammation, the drink will also inhibit cardiovascular disease.


The February issue of Mayo Clinic Women’s HealthSource examines many beneficial aspects of coffee. Besides lowering the risk of heart disease, coffee, especially decaffeinated coffee, can reduce the risk of type 2 diabetes.



Coffee will also provide “brain protection”. Researchers assessed 890 older women and found that coffee can help cognitive skills including thinking, memory and comprehension. This could be because of the long-term caffeine exposure.

Coffee can also reduce the risk of Parkinson’s disease. Moderate to high level consumption of coffee decreased the risk of Parkinson’s in women. But this was not the case for all women. For example, the Nurses’ Health Study also showed that high levels of caffeine -- six or more cups a day -- increased the risk of Parkinson’s in women who used hormone therapy.

There are some negative consequences to coffee consumption. Too much caffeine can cause restlessness, anxiety, irritability, tremors, sleeplessness, headaches, gastrointestinal symptoms and abnormal heart rhythms. Caffeine can also raise blood pressure.

The researchers say that for most people, “it appears that a moderate daily intake of coffee (two to four cups) doesn’t seem to hurt and may even help.



By Jeffrey Workman
Best Syndication Health Writer~ snip~

Don't believe the lies sheeple! :)

Shawnee123 09-13-2007 12:35 PM

:corn: Still waiting for it to cause Anorexia.

And on that note, I think I'll go grab another cup!

Urbane Guerrilla 09-14-2007 08:15 AM

Caffeine is how coffee berries resist insect pests: they eat of them and a dose of caffeine blows out their little nervous systems.

If we were the size of ants it'd do the same to ours.

Shawnee123 09-14-2007 08:35 AM

so that's what happened to "Them."

Lady Sidhe 09-14-2007 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 384531)
You can have my coffee when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.


I second that. Coffee is the ambrosia of the gods.

It's especially good with a dash of spiced chai, or if it's black creme brulee with a squirt of apple syrup (it may sound icky, but it actually tastes like a caramel apple...don't get me wrong, though...I love coffee-flavored coffee just as much. With lots of sugar and powdered cow).

We've moved to Florida (it sucks...one big ant hill/high school USA). I work as a barista now, so I've gotten to try coffees from all over the world. I have to say, though, Jamaican Blue Mountain, which is $40/lb, didn't impress me. Haitian Bleu is excellent, though. I can even drink it black, which I normally can't do. It's very smooth. Cool Cafe Blues and Creme Brulee are nice and caramel-y.

Of course, I'll settle for Folger's Instant if necessary.

Maxwell House is crap, though. I'd rather drink tea than drink Maxwell House. Nasty, nasty, p-tooey! Bleech!

lumberjim 09-14-2007 08:19 PM

they have baristas at starbucks you know....


hows troubleshooter? buried in the backyard yet?

Flint 09-15-2007 01:51 AM

Coffee got my homework done tonight, instead of me passing out from exhaustion due to planning a first birthday party.

xoxoxoBruce 09-15-2007 01:29 PM

If coffee make you drinkers so energetic, why the hell can't you clean up after yourselves?
Always drips on the floor leading away from the pot. Sugar, creamer and dirty spoons all over. Brown rings and empty, or worse, almost empty, cups where they shouldn't be. Half full cups on tables, shelves, the copy machine, computer terminals or in wastebaskets, lurking like land mines.

binky 09-15-2007 08:56 PM

OMG without a doubt coffee is evil - on the weekends if I sleep in and my husband has a cup or two, he's giving me the stink eye until I have my tea and get my ass moving

Elspode 09-16-2007 12:51 AM

I cannot even begin to conceive how "coffee" and "evil" got stuck together in the same goddamn phrase.

Coffee...good.

fargon 09-16-2007 11:15 AM

Coffee is neither good nor evil. coffee has been my drink of choice for 30 years, why the flavor and the slight lift I get from the caffeine. I have never had a decaf that was any good. Once you figure out how to brew your coffee with out it becoming bitter you can truly enjoy the complexity, and flavor of the brew. Once I got away from home and learned how to make coffee with out scorching it I was able to research and come up with new brewing and serving methods for the wicked brew.
Oh BTW my favorite coffees come from South East Asia.

DanaC 09-16-2007 01:04 PM

Lady Sidhe! How've y'been? Long time no see!

wolf 09-16-2007 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Sidhe (Post 385426)

Of course, I'll settle for Folger's Instant if necessary.

Philistine.

bluecuracao 09-17-2007 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by binky (Post 385568)
OMG without a doubt coffee is evil - on the weekends if I sleep in and my husband has a cup or two, he's giving me the stink eye until I have my tea and get my ass moving

Keep your eyes shut, and you won't have to see the stink eye. :p

dar512 09-17-2007 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx (Post 384555)
What about all the fluoride it provides? :greenface

From here:
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Fluoride is toxic in very large quantities and can cause gastrointestinal symptoms and sometimes even death. But you'd have to ingest about 20,000 times more fluoride than what's in an 8-ounce glass of fluoridated water to see such an effect.

Happy Monkey 09-17-2007 04:13 PM

But remember, by the tenets of homeopathy, the less fluoride there is in the water, the more powerful it is!

Urbane Guerrilla 09-18-2007 02:20 AM

Hey, the active principle in a homeopathic remedy is faith.

TheMercenary 09-21-2007 10:15 AM

I am a coffee snob. I prefer good coffee. Not the burnt bean of a $4 Starbucks or similar brand either, but I will drink it on occassion. I want good 100% bean coffee. African coffee is good, so is some of the Indonesian beans. 100% Columbian is a must. Melita is our brand of choice for daily drinking. Illy is very good, from Italy, but to strong for a lot of people, I buy it mail order by the case. I drink 3 to 6 cups a day.

theotherguy 09-21-2007 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 387600)
Not the burnt bean of a $4 Starbucks or similar brand either, but I will drink it on occassion.

Yabbut, the Bucks burns it better than many of the other big chains.

TheMercenary 09-21-2007 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by theotherguy (Post 387800)
Yabbut, the Bucks burns it better than many of the other big chains.

I think Seattles Best is better, but I still drink Starbucks when we go to Barnes and Noble.

Undertoad 09-21-2007 06:12 PM

Seattle's Best is owned by Starbucks.

After 20 years, I have it worked out. Regular whole bean deliveries of Peet's; they roast the beans the day before they ship. I like the fruity notes in their New Guinea variety. I use an expensive burr grinder, and grind just before preparation. Grinding just before brewing is 99% of the quality battle, right there.

TheMercenary 09-21-2007 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 387841)
Seattle's Best is owned by Starbucks.

I didn't know that. Their coffees sure taste different.

rkzenrage 09-21-2007 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 387843)
I didn't know that. Their coffees sure taste different.

I think that is the point.

Urbane Guerrilla 09-25-2007 04:33 AM

Merc, we laid hold of some Tanzanian Peaberry at the Trader Joe's. I was very impressed. It's layered, complex. Medium-darkish roast.

theotherguy 09-25-2007 08:06 AM

Oh, that sounds good.

Undertoad 09-25-2007 08:13 AM

The Tanzanian Peaberry is sometimes offered at the Starbucks. I haven't tried all 'bucks coffees but that there is the best I've ever had out of them.

theotherguy 09-25-2007 08:23 AM

This morning I am enjoying a delightful Sumatra bean purchased in bulk at Costco last night. Very smooth and wonderfully aromatic. Just a splash of cream, thank you.

Trilby 09-25-2007 02:48 PM

Dammit I'm in a world of coffee snobs!

I drink Folgers, the kind in that new stay-fresh plastic container. That's pretty fancy* fer these parts.

(*it's fancy, but it's not fancy schmantzy)

theotherguy 09-25-2007 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 388976)
Dammit I drink Folgers...


NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Trilby 09-25-2007 03:00 PM

Hey! You edited me! Bad theotherguy, BAD!

Now, go rub your nose in it (Folgers, that is)

:D

theotherguy 09-25-2007 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 388982)
Hey! You edited me! Bad theotherguy, BAD!

Now, come rub your nose in it

:D

Bad girl.

Trilby 09-25-2007 04:01 PM

I see what you did there.

Can I offer you a cuppa Folgers? It's mountain grown!

theotherguy 09-25-2007 04:04 PM

What? Who? Me? I done nuttin'.

Urbane Guerrilla 09-26-2007 01:48 AM

I think Juan Valdez just ran aground and is leaking oil...


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