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Originally posted by Undertoad
I don't have time to look back through the thread but has the point been brought up that the presence of someone's DNA somewhere doesn't necessarily mean that they have committed a crime?

I said something about that earlier. That's why the investigators collect everything, so that they can start ruling people out.

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Originally posted by Carbonated_Brains
Not "There you go", damnit.

First off, I was talking to Syc, and second of all, it was to indicate to him that I'd found the "rule" I'd been referring to earlier. Breathe, dude...

Wolf, you're reaching. The point was simply that there is not always dna evidence with which to convict someone. people sometimes DO get away with murder. In fact the whole mini argument is tangental to the original discussion. It does however, illustrate my point about sidhe not wavering from even the smallest detail in her original internal opinion. it makes having any discussion with her fruitless. i won't go so far as radar and put her on my ignore list, but i don't see myself giving much of a shit about bothering to discuss anything that we don't happen to agree on in the future. why bother.

take a look at her title. it's very telling:

" Lady Sidhe
Yeah, uh-huh, right, whatever...

Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 738"

I enjoy debating with people, but not when they generalize a lot and don't respect my opinion.

Sidhe, I strongly suggest reopening your forum.

I didn't say the crimes were always solved. The original point was that DNA testing should be mandatory, not optional.

And speaking of never wavering, it seems that even when I have something that backs up an argument I have made, you still don't want to accept it.

I can agree to disagree, but I'm not going to change my mind simply because you think I should.

Sidhe

edit: Wolf wasn't reaching. That's exactly how such crimes are solved. Just because someone is not present at the scene at which a crime is committed does not mean that there is nothing that can link them to the crime. No, people don't always get caught, but wearing gloves or using a high-powered rifle doesn't guarantee they won't get caught, either.

yeah...uh huh. right. whatever.

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Originally posted by lumberjim
yeah...uh huh. right. whatever.

obnoxious, but occasionally wise

You left off the "guy":D

obnoxious guy but occasionally wise doesn't really flow right.

look. it is possible to be a dick and be right. i know i'm roughing sidhe up. and at this point i think i have expressed my frustration adequately. i will try not to bring it up again.

don't hate me because i'm so damn sexy. i can't help it.

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Originally posted by lumberjim
it is possible to be a dick and be right.

Absolutely...just ask Radar.

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Originally posted by Lady Sidhe
I listen. Doesn't mean I have to change my original opinion, though. Merely because people disagree doesn't mean that the reasons behind that disagreement are strong enough to change my original opinion.

I'm not for indiscriminately throwing people in prison or enforcing birth control. But when someone confesses to a crime, or are caught on videotape, or are otherwise nailed to the wall, I believe they should be punished. When people have histories of abusing, molesting, or exposing to drugs innocent children, I believe they should not be able to have kids. That doesn't make me a moron.

All I ever hear about are the rights of the prisoners, as if they're all innocent. Very rarely does anyone stand up for the rights of the victims. Whenever I put up something like the death penalty thread, the victims are thrown out the window in favor of the criminals. And the title of that thread, btw, is "Why the death penalty should be enforced," not why it shouldn't be enforced, and therefore I place comments and information there upholding that opinion. I'm not forcing anyone to read or agree or uphold my opinion, merely stating it and bringing reasons for that opinion to the attention of others.

Preach on my sistah! Don't let the bastids wear you down!

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Originally posted by marichiko

Now here I disagree with you, Sid. I've been in jail like I said in another thread. I was too poor to buy car insurance, drove my car, anyhow and got caught. Mandatory 30 days in jail, so off I went and paid my debt to society.

The free medical care consisted of an aspirin 3 days after you'd sent a "kite" (formal written request) to the deputy in charge of your floor. People had all kinds of SERIOUS conditions that they got no medical care for. I watched an epileptic go into seizures twice, for example, and nothing was done for her. A woman with MS was deprived of her medication, on and on.

Prisoners who had no lawyer (were acting in their own behalf) could go to the law library for two hours every other week. No one else was allowed NEAR the law library.

The three meals a day were scant and what there was was inedible. The firm that had the private contract of providing "food" to the prisoners was later found to be bilking the state out of thousands of dollars by shorting on prisoners portions among other things. I lost 15 pounds in 3 weeks. The inmates who had money were the ones who ate. They ordered weekly supplies of ramen from the prison commisary and paid with their own money.

The free clothes consisted of a thin set of short sleeved shirts and cotton trousers, no underware, no sweators, although it was Feburary and freezing cold. You felt the cold even more because you were always hungry.

There was no gym, no exercise facilities. If you tried walking around the ward to get exercise and a guard noticed you doing this, you would be ordered back to your pallet (most of us slept on pallets on the floor - bunks in the cells were reserved for a few "elite prisoners due to overcrowding).

The single TV was controlled by the guards and it was allowed to be on maybe a total of 4 hours a day, less if the ward was on "lock down" which seemed to be most of the time.

Maybe if I keep posting this experience enough, you'll actually read it one of these times, Sid. This is a true experience of someone who has actually been there - not some fairy tale made up by a newscaster who wouldn't know his ass from a hole in the ground and got the "for press only" royal tour by the warden which just so happened to not go by anything where the real prison conditions could be seen.

They told me that we women prisoners were "coddled" compared to the men. I shudder to think what conditions on their side were like.

Jail is not prison.

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Originally posted by Carbonated_Brains
bint Noun. A woman. From the Arabic 'bint' meaning girl or daughter. Derog.

British colloq.

A derogatory remark, made because someone has a different opinion and won't change it without serious evidence to the contrary.

That's all we need.

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Originally posted by OnyxCougar
Jail is not prison.

Many jails are close enough.

Thanks, Onyx...:D
:thumb:

Sycamore and I can be the Sharks, and Sidhe and Onyx can be the Jets.

(singing) Gee, Officer Krupke, we're very upset;
We never had the love that ev'ry child oughta get.
We ain't no delinquents,
We're misunderstood.
Deep down inside us there is good!(/singing)

We can't help being hammurabi-light-ists. It's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it....

Sidhe

Again, this didn't happen in the US, but murdering and dismembering a five-year-old baby? Uh-uh. These people should be sterilized with a rusty scalpel and no anesthetic.

Sidhe

Stepmother gets 15 years in girl's murder
Associated Press

Toronto — A woman convicted along with her husband in the savage murder and dismemberment of his five-year-old daughter must spend at least 15 behind bars, a judge ruled Monday.

In imposing the sentence, Superior Court Justice David Watt said Kaneez Fatima was not just a passive participant in the horrendous death of Farah Khan four years ago.

“She was not the mere spectator immobilized by fear,” Judge Watt said. “She did nothing to stop the onslaught.”

Ms. Fatima will not be eligible to apply for parole until Jan. 19, 2015.

She was convicted of second-degree murder and automatically sentenced to life in prison in the killing.

At issue in sentencing was whether Ms. Fatima would be eligible for parole after serving the minimum 10 years.

In submissions to Judge Watt, Crown lawyer David Fisher argued for raising the minimum to 18-to-20 years, saying Ms. Fatima had a “hair-trigger temper.”

She helped carry her stepdaughter's body parts in backpacks to a city park for disposal, then lied to protect herself and her husband, Mr. Fisher told the court.

“Farah Khan was a sweet, helpless and defenceless five-year-old child, he said.

Defence lawyer John Collins portrayed Ms. Fatima as a victim of two abusive arranged marriages who loved and cared for Farah as if the girl were her own child.

As a battered wife, Ms. Fatima was powerless to stop the vicious assaults on a stepdaughter who called her “mommy.”

She lied only because Mr. Khan had threatened her and her family, Mr. Collins said.

But Mr. Fisher countered that Farah suffered 30 distinct blows to her head, arms and legs and showed evidence of previous beatings.

Ten of the jurors who convicted her recommended minimum parole eligibility ranging between 15 and 25 years.

Farah's father, Muhammad Arsal Khan, was convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to life without parole for at least 25 years.

Jurors at their trial heard how Mr. Khan had chased Farah around the family apartment, beat her and smashed her head against a coffee table before taking her into the bathroom, slitting her throat and decapitating and dismembering her.

Parts of Farah's body were found by a passerby at a waterfront park, but her torso was believed to have been carried off and eaten by animals and never recovered.

Fatima has already been in prison for more than four years.