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Information clearing house has the video. Its very disturbing.

Information Clearing house.

Think the Feds don't control the Internet?

Maybe it's the ragheads.;)

Somehow I think they're real interested in having their actions seen by as many people as possible.

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Originally posted by Elspode
Somehow I think they're real interested in having their actions seen by as many people as possible.

Just not their faces. They obviously don't beleive what they are doing is right, otherwise they wouldn't wear masks.

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Originally posted by glatt
Just not their faces. They obviously don't beleive what they are doing is right, otherwise they wouldn't wear masks.

I think that is more related to not wanting to be killed themselves because of what they believe. I mean, otherwise, they might as well just commit suicide...which, now that I think of it, wouldn't be a bad idea all in all.

Very low quality version available here:

http://www.ogrish.com/index2.php

They are disappearing as fast as they are posted.

That's the third "site where you can see the video" I've tried that has been removed.

As the moderate swing voter I expect that everyone who has angrily demanded the showing of returning caskets at Dover and the complete cache of Abu Ghirab photos, on the basis that we need to have a frank view of the results of war, should also clamor for the public release of the full decapitation video.

S'only fair

And in that vein:

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Originally posted by russotto
UT, are you saying that the military command structure not only knew about this, but they were on top of it and had the situation resolved long before the story hit the big time?

Now that I would find very hard to believe.

Check the date on this CENTCOM press release.

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January 16, 2004
Release Number: 04-01-43
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
DETAINEE TREATMENT INVESTIGATION

BAGHDAD, Iraq – An investigation has been initiated into reported incidents of detainee abuse at a Coalition Forces detention facility. The release of specific information concerning the incidents could hinder the investigation, which is in its early stages. The investigation will be conducted in a thorough and professional manner. The Coalition is committed to treating all persons under its control with dignity, respect and humanity. Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, the Commanding General, has reiterated this requirement to all members of CJTF-7.

Belmont Club again (I love that guy):

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What was new about the May coverage was that the press had pictures of the Abu Ghraib abuses and was in a position to project, not a new set of facts, but a new set of powerful emotions upon the public. Getler's claim [Wapo ombudman demanding Abu Ghirab release -UT] is really an assertion of the right to invoke outrage, disgust and hatred at a specific act and its perpetrators, and those who may have been indirectly responsible for it. By taking this logic to its limit, Sullivan [Blogger demanding beheading video release -UT] claims the same right: to unleash a symmetrical set of set emotions at another group -- and demonstrates the absurdity. For it must either be correct to publish both the Abu Ghraib and Berg photos or admit partisanship. Surely, if it is acceptable to run the risk of tainting the entire US military with the brush of Abu Ghraib then there can be no harm in coloring all Muslims with the hues of Al Qaeda. But this is madness.

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Originally posted by Undertoad
As the moderate swing voter I expect that everyone who has angrily demanded the showing of returning caskets at Dover and the complete cache of Abu Ghirab photos, on the basis that we need to have a frank view of the results of war, should also clamor for the public release of the full decapitation video.

S'only fair

Sure, why not? I thought it was already out. And I think it's of sufficent importance to not be banned as a snuff film.

My dont I feel on the cutting edge of the cyberwar? I saw the video on Information Clearinghouse then went back and saw an "account suspended" sign and the next thing I knew it was a feature on the nightly news with that very screen up on TV and the suggestion that pages were being shut down/ blocked by the CIA.........

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Originally posted by wolf
They are disappearing as fast as they are posted.

That's the third "site where you can see the video" I've tried that has been removed.

I have it if you can't get it and still want it.

I have been told it has also been posted onto edonkey and several other filesharing sites

Anyone that was involved with De-CSS knows that once something is no the net, you can't get it off, that's never been proven wrong, once it hits the filesharing networks (and it has), there is no way that can effectively shut it down, it's too distributed. Exactly why such networks are fantastic tools.

Oh an UT, I agree completely. All information on the war, all videos, all photos, no matter how unpalateable to anyone should be availaible for all to see. The worst ones should be on the top half of the front page for people to mull over as they eat breakfast. Iraqis getting blown in half by .50cal sniper fire, US soliders dragging away their buddies that just copped an AK round to the groin, burnt bodies littering the street. That was next time some armchair warrior asshole wants to yell out 'bring it on', they'll remember exactly what IT is.

There was a photo on the back of Adbusters a year or two back from the first gulf war of an Iraqi soldier who has burnt to death trying to get out of a tank that was hit by a bomb, grusome as hell, they had a quote from the photographer:

"If I don't photograph this, people like my mom will think the war is what they see on T.V"
- Kenneth Jarecke, photojournalist.

He's someone whose footsteps I would love to follow.

Ah but the war will still be what she sees on TV.

It's better than nothing. It's a start.

There was a picture on the front cover of the Observer in the UK from that first gulf war which genuinely shocked me. Your post reminded me of it Jag. It showed the scorched remains of the massacre on the road to Basra. It may have been the same picture

Its an ironic war of image control. A successful mission accomplished now seems to require that any new popularly supported Iraqi government hold the image of "defeating and ousting" the US occupation. We need to maneuver so that we can be "beaten" by the moderate, democracy loving bunch rather than the radical, head chopping faction.

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We need to maneuver so that we can be "beaten" by the moderate, democracy loving bunch rather than the radical, head chopping faction.

Thats an interesting angle

I thought so too. I should clarify that I read that somewhere I cant remember, It didnt originally occur to me.

http://rogueimc.org/icon/2003/05/594.jpg
That was the image as it appeared on the back of Adbusters. It was heavily repressed during the end of the war, ti was only a while after that it managed to get published. It's from the 'turkey shoot' US pilots ran on retreating Iraqi troops at the end of the war.

The guy who took it is a fucking legend, utter maverick with a long histroy of taking pictures governments don't want their people to see and risking his life to make sure they do. Damn fine article on this topic here

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I have only ever considered myself a photographer - nothing more, nothing less. I went to war and thought of people and pain, not exhibitions and awards. I looked into people's eyes and they would look back and there would be something like a meeting of guilt. As a war photographer, you cannot escape guilt, particularly when the man in front of you who is just about to be shot appeals to you to help him.

Photography is not just about photographs; it's about communication. It's not about you. It's not about art. You're there to record. Sometimes, all too rarely, what you record is acts of human decency, of kindness and compassion - I have seen men cradling dying comrades and weeping. But that's the only side of war you will see that is beautiful.