Speaking of constant hand washing, I've been hanging around a pink eye outbreak for the last 3 weeks. I bet it hits me tomorrow since I have to run a training I've been organizing.

So you weren't just being a smarty pants then?

And you couldn't tell me too much I don't know about it. Remember, you're not the only one. I got it the first time I ever had sex, and do you know what the arsehole said to me? Now you can't ever leave me. I believed him at first...but then I grew up.

Wow, that was cold.

Sometimes I think it's a wonder I that I had enough faith left in love and men to ever find the wonderful man I have now. I've been very lucky in my life.

whoa, I missed that post Ali. Funny thing, while my GF didn't say that in so many words, there was definitely the expectation afterward. There is a part of me that feels it was intentional. As far as I know the buck stopped here.

I'm almost certain it was intentional. I don't think he cared that much even that he'd given me something I'd have to live with forever.

How many women have you dated that dumped you once they found out you had it? Only happened a couple of times to me. Most blokes were ok about it, but the couple of times it did happen it was gutting. And it brought back all the anger I was too naive to feel at the time.

none of them dumped me since I was upfront, but also I don't think it was ever an issue w/ any of them.

I was always upfront, but sometimes I think it's the difference between men and women. I think often it was the stage when I found out who just wanted a fuck and who actually cared about me as a person.

I guess the ones that just wanted a fuck missed out, even if that's all it was ever going to be. ;)

good point, but there are days when I wish I had said to her "let's just be friends"

I wish I'd listened to my parents when they told me he was no good.

Hey man, you don't think kids should get vaccinated?

I've never had herpes, but I've been tested for a couple of STDs at least 3 times. So I've been in risky situations and it's luck that I don't have it.

A friend of a friend caught Hepatitis C from her first partner. He was a drug user and although she claims she didn't inject it is apparently unusual to catch through sexual contact. So although I was luckier than you, she was unluckier than any of us I guess.

I don't think infants and toddlers should be getting cocktails of multiple vaccines and those vaccines should not be using mercury as a preservative especially for small bodies and developing brains. I know the public health (or socialistic) reasons why the group is more important than the stray kid so you can save your breathe. I worked with boys with severe autism for a couple years (chilling with a couple milds these days) and while officially vaccines have nothing to do with the onset, despite the suspicious timing, it can be assumed that a perfect storm of genetics and multiple environmental factors comes into play. Responsible parents control what can be controlled. Silly mandated vaccines like chicken pox are completely beyond the pale.

Ruebella is done young in the US to keep pregnant Moms from contracting the diease from their school age kids...

Well same for chicken pox if you want to look deep into it. People who are exposed to it as adults, from children, can get very ill, esp if you are a prego female. I know it is a personal choice. And I know that there has been a long held belief that it is tied to autism. But I also know that the types, causes, and severity of autism in children are far and wide as well as poorly understood, esp the familial connections.

All the years my father was immunocompromised, I was very grateful to have access to the flu vaccine. The more people around him that were vaccinated, the less chance he would die of it.
Sometimes, it's not all about you.

Nice parting shot. I'm a bad person for questioning.

It wasn't directed at you.

I wonder if this is gonna work in New Jersey?

http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

I found it from the vaccinationnation.net site. I wonder if it is connected to shaken baby stuff? Oooh all questions and no answers, I hate that.

Oops! link link
Flu vaccines contaminated with H5N1

A skeptical person might point out that reassortment, or the mixing of 2 virus strains, would be a great way to finally get that bird flu pandemic they've been threatening us with going. Is that a more frightening though than "human error" in the lab creating this bio-weapon?

Huh. They would have made a bunch of money if they had infected people I guess...

so...if the LIVE bird flu and the regular flu vaccine had been injected as a vaccine into a human host ....'intended' to be a vaccine... but actually as an inevitable (statistically) hybrid of the two......a bridge between the fatal avian flu and the fast spreading human influenza........there would have been a HUUUUUGE demand for the vaccine against that particular pandemic. the company that held the patent of that vaccine would have been in a favorable position in the old supply and demand equation, neh?

I know. Wow. This is why I don't go for flu shots. At some point, someone is making money or else they're making the "other" strains stronger. No. Way. It's even more convoluted than I could have imagined.

Turns out this statement is false. Read the stories carefully. The vaccines are produced in an entirely different country from where the contamination happened.

Yes sorry, I just copied the headline from the first story I read which was from a fairly biased site.

Was hard to find info on, apparently wasn't big enough news for US outlets.

Still, it's crazy that Baxter is so sloppy with their procedures that they mixed the two viruses and exposed their own workers to it. If you are working with a virus that is as potentially dangerous as H5N1 you should be careful.

You should see what they do with nuke secrets over at los alamos...

I never get flu shots. Ever. they scare me.

Influenza vaccination for healthcare workers who work with the elderly.

My experience is that HCW get sick a lot less than the general public. I still get the regular flu shot each year, I did not however get the most recent swine flu shot.

Where is the study to see if HCW get sick less because the have better immune systems from being around sick people more than those who try to live in bubbles.

Purely my experience. Find your own studies.

This study isn't about health care workers getting or not getting sick, it's about the effectiveness of vaccinating the healthy/strong to protect the weak who are exposed to them.

"It is the terrain, milieu or environment that determines health or disease, NOT the pathogen." - Bechamp

I understood that, was just pointing out an observation and making a comment.

Don't be a dick. I was agreeing with you.
Oh I got that - was adding my 2 cents on a somewhat related tangent. I'll be over here - carry on.

I do not either. They make me terribly ill. More ill than if I just let nature take its course, which then,my symptoms are mild. I don't buy the reasoning that I already had the flu when I got the flu shot. I've had two flu shots several years apart and with the same result.

I did get the pneumonia shot because my lungs had been compromised for about a year. I think respiratory failure is the real threat.

I've never had a flu shot. If I can avoid it, I never will.

I've read a few articles about the link between the surge in Alzheimer's and the flu shot. It's not THE sole cause but it certainly can be a contributing factor perhaps.

I guess I'm just not that afraid of the flu. I understand that for people with compromised immune systems it might be a good idea, but I don't see the need for me to get one. How would I know if it worked, if I rarely get full-blown flu anyway?

Then when the swine thing hit and I said, from the get-go, it was a big bunch of hooey. I am so pissed people weren't dropping like flies a la The Stand.

Now, it's like the little boy who cried pandemic flu...I just can't get excited about it.

via the Alzheimer's Association:

Myth 6: Flu shots increase risk of Alzheimer’s disease
Reality: A theory linking flu shots to a greatly increased risk of Alzheimer’s disease has been proposed by a U.S. doctor whose license was suspended by the South Carolina Board of Medical Examiners. Several mainstream studies link flu shots and other vaccinations to a reduced risk of Alzheimer's disease and overall better health.

A Nov. 27, 2001, Canadian Medical Journal report suggests older adults who were vaccinated against diphtheria or tetanus, polio, and influenza seemed to have a lower risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease than those not receiving these vaccinations. The full text of this report is posted on the journal’s Web site.

A report in the Nov. 3, 2004, JAMA found that annual flu shots for older adults were associated with a reduced risk of death from all causes. The abstract of that report is posted on PubMed.

Hey I don't remember posting that! j/k

Ok I went trying to find medical evidence to support my claim besides squidoo although what I found is sited by squidoo too.

Google search results the same sources mainly DR. Fudenberg and John Hopkins. I only found one instance of DR. Haley as being used as a supporting claim.

This is what I found.

Dr. Fudenberg at the NVIC International Vaccine Conference, Arlington, VA September, 1997. Quoted with permission.
A serious concern: Alzheimer's Disesase
Hugh Fudenberg, MD, an immunogeneticist and biologist with nearly 850 papers published in peer review journals, has reported that if an individual had five consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years studied), his/her chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times higher than if they had zero, one, or two shots.[vii]


Dr. Boyd Haley, Professor and Chair of the Department of Chemistry at the University of Kentucky, Lexington has done extensive research in the area of mercury toxicity and the brain. Haley's research has established a likely connection between mercury toxicity and Alzheimer's disease. [viii] In a paper published in collaboration with researchers at University of Calgary, Haley stated that "seven of the characteristic markers that we look for to distinguish Alzheimer's disease can be produced in normal brain tissues, or cultures of neurons, by the addition of extremely low levels of mercury."[ix]



John's Hopkins Newsletter Nov 1998.

I could not find the Newsletter from John Hopkins although it has been sited as a source. If I have some time later I would love to try to find it but I am very busy. John Hopkins has a website and I searched for awhile but must give it up to get some work done.

I think John Hopkins has a good reputation but I don't know about the other two doctors.

In Aussie news...

Flu vaccination ban goes national after fever, convulsions in children



Parents hammer hotline as 250 adverse flu jab reactions reported

Somehow after skipping the flu shot this year, I also skipped on the flu.

WHO swine flu experts 'linked' with drug companies


Conflicts of Interest
WHO and the pandemic flu "conspiracies"

How much of this do we (the public) have to be told about these relationships between government and the business of medicine before people wake up?

What can people do, once they're awake, to change the way things are done?

Just keep spreading the word and exposing them. But it is really hard to get the mainstream media to pick up on this stuff.